In terms of the books I recommended by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, there is no element of 'controversy' around them. To quote Wiki:
''Three of his published works contained forewords by previous Ganden Tripas and the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama contributed a foreword to Buddhism in the Tibetan Tradition, while Trijang Rinpoche and Ling Rinpoche (who each held the position of Ganden Tripa) also provided forewords for his books Meaningful to Behold (which was dedicated to the long life of the Dalai Lama) and Clear Light of Bliss (which was dedicated to the late Trijang Rinpoche), respectively. ''
Good to hear it
Yes, I know there are books with forwards from HHDL in them.
Any later controversy and schism involving HHDL was based around Tantra and Dharma Protectors, and is pretty irrelevant to a new student of TB. The NKT had TB (Gelug) as a foundation, its founder sharing the same root gurus as HHDL, but is free from connections to any TB school under the Dalai Lama. There is scandal around many Buddhist teachers, including Tibetans - I could make a list! To single out one group is unfair.
It is true that there are a lot of scandals. In fact we had a member recently who was wanting to talk about that a lot. Honestly though, I don't think I'm being unfair. I'm not censoring anything, and I would say the same about any controversial stuff. It's only fair to provide information to newcomers, and people can investigate if they wish. I think I'm a pretty fair-minded person in general. At least, that's the feedback I've often received, that I'm fair-minded.
But gosh, I have so little energy for any extended discussion of controversial stuff. It's sort of tiring and one of our recent members burned me out on it a lot. Scandals happen across the board, in all traditions, and yet TB catches a lot of slack about it. When there's so much more to focus on which is positive and good.
Without Refuge, Renunciation and Compassion the Vajrayana is a waste of time. Whether Theravadan or a Vajrayana practitioner, we must first develop these qualities.
I totally agree. And don't forget bodhicitta!
he Theravada is a good basis for such things, and I don't think there is much to choose in terms of teaching moral discipline. I'm not at all sure how the Vajrayana may be seen as presenting such things better, as its foundation relies on the same Dharma , but I have found it to be a good path to follow, and one which offers a logical path through Lam Rim and Lojong.
It would be very difficult for me to compare too. But I suspect that sherubtse may be making reference to Bodhicitta and the Bodhisattva ideal.
History will show most Buddhist groups have episodes of behaviour we may find distasteful and, as Buddhism spreads in the West, there will I am sure be more discomfort as the Dharma is presented to new cultures.
Oh yes! It is true, but I like to focus on the more positive aspects. And I think I'm very fortunate, that my experiences has been really positive and free of discomfort.
There is much misinterpretation of the 'worship' of gurus and Buddhas in Vajrayana, and it is important to begin from a stable foundation. The only Refuge which matters is that of the 3 Jewels, whatever skillful means we may use to convey it.
You nailed it! Guru yoga is so often misunderstood. If guru worship or deity worship is taking place I think something has gone wrong. All of these methods have shunyata as a proper context.
I've not heard of many who have taken the opposite path to the OP, from TB to Theravada, but my guess is that the cause would be either finding the teachings impenetrable, or the politics unbearable.
How true. I could imagine reasons why I might not consider making the switch if I was a Theravada student. But like I mentioned earlier in the thread, there was such a strong draw for me. For you too, I'd bet. I pursued the Vajrayana path with so mush vigor. Personally, I've found all of the methods I've learned in Vajrayana to be really useful. And the sadhanas are so precise and specific, they're so useful.
Okay, off for now before I fall asleep sitting. I hope my exhausted ramble made some sense.