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MN 22 Alagaddupama Sutta: The Snake Simile

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MN 22 Alagaddupama Sutta: The Snake Simile

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:58 pm

สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: MN 22 Alagaddupama Sutta: The Snake Simile

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:59 pm

สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: MN 22 Alagaddupama Sutta: The Snake Simile

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:01 am

you can also read this sutta translated from the Pali by Nyanaponika Thera here :
it was just too long to post here so i used Thanissaro

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Re: MN 22 Alagaddupama Sutta: The Snake Simile

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:11 pm

the various similies for sensual pleasure is great for anyone working with them

"For a person to indulge in sensual pleasures without sensual passion, without sensual perception, without sensual thinking: That isn't possible. "

-this is anther great dhamma quote from this sutta. When we stop seeing an external object as something enjoyable, we stop being able to give rise to sensual thoughts based on it
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Re: MN 22 Alagaddupama Sutta: The Snake Simile

Postby BlackBird » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:23 am

Both the Snake and Raft similes are wonderful. Thank you for posting the Sutta.

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Re: MN 22 Alagaddupama Sutta: The Snake Simile

Postby Jechbi » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:10 am

Would you please elaborate on the difference between those two translations, Macavity? Do you feel the Ven. Thanissaro translation leaves the door open for a negation of the anatta teaching?

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Postby Jechbi » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:54 pm

Do you feel the Ven. Thanissaro translation leaves the door open for a negation of the anatta teaching?

(Secondarily, are your comments related to the type of discussion found ?)

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Re: MN 22 Alagaddupama Sutta: The Snake Simile

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:25 am

Greetings,

It was nice to read this sutta again... it always is.

It's so fully loaded with excellent teaching and is so cohesive in its flow.

A great test for the monks present, to see whether they had correctly grasped the teachings and were not making the same mistakes regarding sensuality that Arittha was.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: MN 22 Alagaddupama Sutta: The Snake Simile

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:24 am

Greetings Macavity,

Out of interest, where does Thanissaro allegedy do this?

Anatta does mean "not-self", rather than "no self", does it not?

"No self" is purported to be a logical consequence of "sabbe dhamma anatta"

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