Stabilising Dzogchen practice

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Stabilising Dzogchen practice

Postby Paul » Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:25 pm

I found this series of posts by Jean-Luc Achard on a Bon message board.

The discussion really clarifies the role of retreat in stabilising the recognition of the natural state and also has some interesting points to make about translation, so I thought I'd share it.

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: Stabilising Dzogchen practice

Postby Paul » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:00 pm

I made a PDF of the conversation as people may not be able to read it from the site linked to...
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Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: Stabilising Dzogchen practice

Postby heart » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:59 pm

I read it on the site and I agree with you it is interesting. Jean-Luc is a very serious practitioner and also quite a scholar both in western academic sense as well as in the traditional Tibetan style. He is also a translator. I also do consider him my friend.

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Re: Stabilising Dzogchen practice

Postby Paul » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:55 am

Scholar/practitioner/translators such as Jean-Luc or Erik are really, really precious.

The way that they can easily correct misperceptions as he does in the link is invaluable.
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: Stabilising Dzogchen practice

Postby Sönam » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:26 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Postby heart » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:41 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Postby Sönam » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:06 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Postby heart » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:15 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Stabilising Dzogchen practice

Postby Sönam » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:34 pm

It is closed,
no more openning,
certitude did do that,
it is not to be discussed,
you take and bow or leave.
Certainly that's a right track!

This is a true practice,
It's perfect, everything,
everywhere, all times.
It is effortlessness!
Easy, not simple.
Since my live is a tantra,
What does it means meditation ?

I don't bow cause everyone bow
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By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Postby heart » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:28 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Stabilising Dzogchen practice

Postby Sönam » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:51 am

In lower vehicles cause gives effect, when conditions.
In Dzogchen cause is effect, with no conditions.
Thus, Dzogchen has never been separated from Dzogchenpa.
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Stabilising Dzogchen practice

Postby muni » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:40 pm

No separation Dzogchen-Dzogchenpa. practice= to "remain" in nondual awareness, no any practioner-practice separation can be. No self-spot taint wholeness, no striving can be. Other Yoga tool may help.
Dzogchen rambling.

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Re: Stabilising Dzogchen practice

Postby heart » Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:12 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Postby Sönam » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:54 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Postby Sönam » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:56 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -


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