Luke wrote:It's a bizarre situation when these "truth seekers" call themselves the "real Buddhists" (although they often know little about core Buddhist ideas) and call practicing Buddhists "mere conformists."
Rael wrote:did Buddha asked to be called Buddha?
were his disciples Buddhists...
TMingyur wrote:Be honest ... if you take dependent arising seriously then "Buddhism" is exactly what you want it to be.
Jikan wrote:What sometimes works is to listen to people. Not just to what comes to them first on this topic, but to keep them talking and really listen until you find out what they're really looking for. Why are they seeking? Which is another way of asking: where and how are they hurting, and what are their real aspirations?
Luke wrote:TMingyur wrote:Be honest ... if you take dependent arising seriously then "Buddhism" is exactly what you want it to be.
I can't comment on how things might appear from the absolute perspective of an enlightened person, but at least from the relative viewpoint, what I mean is that somebody can't take away three of the Four Noble Truths and call it Buddhism, or worse, take away all of the Four Noble Truths and replace them with random Taoist quotes and a hogde-podge of New Age stuff.
Luke wrote:Independent truth-seekers have the right to do whatever they want. I just wish that they wouldn't misuse the word "Buddhism."
TMingyur wrote:Forget about "absolute perspective" there is no such perspective.
Lazy_eye wrote:That's a common problem for newcomers. But the more experienced can fall into a similar trap. They start to identify with the idea of being a real Buddhist, as opposed to all the fake Buddhists out there, or knowing more about Buddhism, or really understanding the dharma. A certain conceit sets in. So when some naive person bumbles into the forum and begins coughing up Taoist wisdom or repeated references to the Kalama sutta, there's this urge to set the person right. But ya know, that person may be at a vulnerable point in their exploration of dharma. Maybe they are not sure yet about certain teachings and they are holding onto the Buddha's words to the Kalamas as a way to feel more secure.
UUUuuuhhhhhhhhh...... drools and rolls eyes.... No?!Luke wrote:I understand your warning about conceit. But is it conceit in your view to say that Buddhism is the world religion which takes the Four Noble Truths as its foundation?
gregkavarnos wrote:UUUuuuhhhhhhhhh...... drools and rolls eyes.... No?!Luke wrote:I understand your warning about conceit. But is it conceit in your view to say that Buddhism is the world religion which takes the Four Noble Truths as its foundation?