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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:01 am 
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"Of those, right view is the forerunner. And how is right view the forerunner? One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view.

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TMingyur wrote:
Killing is "wrong" in the context of dharma, Wouldn't you agree?
Refrain from killing is "right" in the context of dharma, Wouldn't you agree?
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What does killing mean?

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Hanzze wrote:
What does killing mean?


Is this a joke? Or are you trolling? :ban:

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Banner for example, is that a kind of killing?

What do you think Mr. Gordo, is killing right or wrong?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:37 pm 
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TMingyur wrote:
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Dear sir , sorry I am not quite understand you . "nihilism" i cant find the meaning in my dictionery .

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This is nihilism:
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I believe in Buddha is emptiness , nothing is there .

and this view may lead to great sorrow, lamentation and suffering.

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Hi TMingyur ,
yes indeed it may , that is why I am here .

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TMingyur wrote:
But it is exactly because the Tathagata has sympathy for living beings that he teaches them what is right and what is wrong.

THIS is his task!

Why?

Because the beings are bond in samsara and HE has sympathy for them.

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As long as there is a task there is no compassion and there will be a endless struggle between right and wrong.

Hope is tricky so as the fear to have no task.

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Hanzze wrote:
Banner for example, is that a kind of killing?


Yes, it is. There is a sutra on banner. Can you help me look up which sutra it is?

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What do you think Mr. Gordo, is killing right or wrong?


Killing is obviously right. How could anyone say otherwise? In fact I challenge you find one Buddhist sutra that says Killing is wrong.

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That is why we need to be careful when we use right and wrong.

From my view, there is no different between take somebodies life or banner him. But it would not have that much unwholesome effects on whom who is bannered. For those who banner, it will come again and again.

The problem is to believe in a task ratter than to letting go of them and make space for compassion.

Oh, and even the Buddha killed - do you remember what?

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Hanzze wrote:
That is why we need to be careful when we use right and wrong.


Why do we need to be careful with "right" and "wrong"? We are all one with "the force".


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From my view, there is no different between take somebodies life or banner him.


I agree. In fact there is no difference between a hamburger and 1965 camaro.

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The problem is to believe in a task ratter than to letting go of them and make space for compassion.


Why? The task is no differnent than letting go or holding on. There is no difference between compassion and indifference.

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I agree. In fact there is no difference between a hamburger and 1965 camaro.

Bitchin' camaro!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT-OBLFlQIg
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mr. gordo wrote:
I agree. In fact there is no difference between a hamburger and 1965 camaro.

Bitchin' camaro!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT-OBLFlQIg
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Dead Milkmen...I haven't listened to them in ages. :smile:

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mr. gordo wrote:

Killing is obviously right. How could anyone say otherwise? In fact I challenge you find one Buddhist sutra that says Killing is wrong.



Absolutely. Dying is the real bad karma. Killing is good as it leads to rebirth, so the earlier we kill people the better - in fact we should kill people during their previous life, just to be sure of receiving the blessings as quickly as possible.

Thus was taught in the Yama Arashi Sutra of the Divine Wind Ornament, concerning the sweeping or blowing away of life by Yama, Lord of Death.

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Yeshe wrote:

Absolutely. Dying is the real bad karma. Killing is good as it leads to rebirth, so the earlier we kill people the better - in fact we should kill people during their previous life, just to be sure of receiving the blessings as quickly as possible.


Killing people in their previous life? This may be the most groundbreaking terma I have ever heard of or come across!

It's funny, as I was just re-reading Dennis Hirota's book on the biography of Ippen who was a Japanese Pure Land practitioner and wandering mendicant. Ippen actually had to tell his followers not to commit suicide in order to achive rebirth in Sukhavati quicker. Ippen was obviously a fool.

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Hanzze wrote:
TMingyur wrote:
But it is exactly because the Tathagata has sympathy for living beings that he teaches them what is right and what is wrong.

THIS is his task!

Why?

Because the beings are bond in samsara and HE has sympathy for them.

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As long as there is a task there is no compassion and there will be a endless struggle between right and wrong.


Don't know whether to cry or to laugh at your categorical statements and your insistence that words do have the meaning you seem to preceive in an absolute way.

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Hope is tricky so as the fear to have no task.


I have lost any hope that you ever get a grasp of language and I fear that you will never undertake the task to remedy this incapacity.

However the Buddha certainly has undertaken the task to teach beings what is right, i.e. what to adopt, and what is wrong, i.e. what to cast aside, in order to put an end to dukkha.


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mr. gordo wrote:
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Absolutely. Dying is the real bad karma. Killing is good as it leads to rebirth, so the earlier we kill people the better - in fact we should kill people during their previous life, just to be sure of receiving the blessings as quickly as possible.


Killing people in their previous life? This may be the most groundbreaking terma I have ever heard of or come across!

It's funny, as I was just re-reading Dennis Hirota's book on the biography of Ippen who was a Japanese Pure Land practitioner and wandering mendicant. Ippen actually had to tell his followers not to commit suicide in order to achive rebirth in Sukhavati quicker. Ippen was obviously a fool.


Would that be 'Ippon Seionage' ? He had a point.

I favour the Anna Baptist eschatology - which asserts that those who die lack faith in their own immortality. It was often the last thing they considered - before being killed, so better to kill them before they get as far as thinking.

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Yeshe wrote:
Would that be 'Ippon Seionage' ? He had a point.


Yes he did. :D

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I favour the Anna Baptist eschatology - which asserts that those who die lack faith in their own immortality. It was often the last thing they considered - before being killed, so better to kill them before they get as far as thinking.


I believe you to be a high ranking tulku and terton. These are amazing teachings you are informing us about.

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Dear friends,

While I am writing here, I am aware of that I am killing.
When ever there is a name of what we are killing it will have unwholesome effects.

Stay natural and mindful.

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There is no killing as there must be death . There is only regret of action .


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CSEe wrote:
There is no killing as there must be death . There is only regret of action .


Your comments are deluded. Get over yourself.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:26 pm 
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With complete respect Mr. Gordo, no offence.

Firstly, being in a buddhist forum, it is only wise to be nice as we are all or at least most of us are nice people. Patience is what we are to cultivate, anger, hatred and harsh speech should not be tolerated.

Secondly, you proclaiming yourself as a buddhist, I think it would be disgraceful to let others see your actions. Your words are a reflection of your cultivation and practice.

Come on everyone, we're buddhists, oh no, I mean we're PEOPLE. BE NICE!

Namo Amituofo!
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