Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby ground » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:56 am

Hanzze

As to "awareness" ...

1. Acknowledging the particular human condition of individuals ...

2. The "there is no right or wrong and we are all one" fantasy

3. Discerning "person" and "view"

4. Clinging to "I" and "mine"

How are these interrelated?

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

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Just that! :-)

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I refer you to my post just above yours.

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby CSEe » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:52 am

[quote="TMingyur[/quote]

Hi TMingyur ,
I believe in Buddha is emptiness , nothing is there . Compassion is also a pollutant , from Mr Siddharta I learn good will lead me to Buddha , bad will makes me regret of my action and delay my purification process . so just like driving , sincere good is forward gear that drive us to forward and bad is reverse gear .
But I believe the more I understand all these awareness , I will able to eliminate them from my energy , i will be more and more pure until I am free of all desire / compassion / emotion of good and bad , I will be awake .

Perhaps you have different awareness on this let share .

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby ground » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:05 am

Dependent origination implies:

Wrong actions and motivations lead to negative effects.
Right actions and motivations lead to positive effects.

Only on the basis of the positive effects of right actions and motivations can one attain liberation from samsara ... or liberation from not-knowing.


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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby Hanzze » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:49 am

"1. Acknowledging the particular human condition of individuals ..."
I guess that is very important and it needs the knowledge of different conditions, as if it is not known, there could grow some different level between the "other" and "me". There easy grows: He is more poor, he needs help, I can do that for him... Danger of arrogance is something we grow into, when we measure just by some self made pictures of others.
The wealth man in the car is driving over the streets rushing to the next meeting. He sees some farmer on the rice field and thinks to him self: "What a beautiful, satisfactory life..." The farmer seeing the man in the car is thinking: "What a beautiful and satisfactory life..."
The people start to pray to there gods and devas for help but do not see that they are harming them all the time. The gods and devas try to talk with the people but they do not understand. Neither the gods nor the people are able to express what they need.


"2. The "there is no right or wrong and we are all one" fantasy"
From my awareness, there is no right and wrong. I guess it is not easy to understand as in modern world those words are so important and from the fist moment we are taught in "That is right" and "That is wrong".
Once I was sitting with some young monks and the topic was "right and wrong". I took the empty plastic water bottle and trowed it over my shoulder to the back on the street. Then I asked: "What do you think, was that right or wrong?" They all looked confused (how could I do something like that) and said unison: "Wrong!" I waited 2 seconds and looked once again questioning to the group. One old garbage picker lady was walking the way and rushed to get the bottle, she had fear in her eyes. Suddenly the young monks started to laugh and screamed: "It was right!" The old lady, did not understand what was going on and rushed ashamed away.
I would not write here if you are not her as well, I could try what ever I want, but I could not disunite you from me. What ever you do, will have effects on me, and what ever I do will have effects on you. That is how far I can see.

"3. Discerning "person" and "view""
There are personal views, but mostly there are collective views which we make to our personal views. How ever we define our self makes our view. From my view, from our groups view... usually we tend to make our person bigger so our view can grow and has a better position to survive. The person is a reflection as a part of the view. Maybe just the view makes the person. What if we change our view? Could we change persons?

"4. Clinging to "I" and "mine""
Actually I see clinging to "I" and "mine" not that dangerous as to clinging to "we" and "our", attached to "I" has not that much danger to interpreted compassion in something that is selfish as when we grow something collective to good and bad.
But how ever, without "I" and "you" there would be no discussion, maybe just pure awareness, Buddha, peace.
As long as there is clinging, it is good to go back to point No. 1
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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby Hanzze » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:35 am

Just that! :-)

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

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Just that! :-)

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby ground » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:51 am

Hanzze

you cannot properly apply language. You seem to invest conventional terms and terminology like "right" and "wrong" with some sort of inherent existence.

Contact with "right" and "wrong" -> feeling -> rejection of "right" and "wrong"

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby ground » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:55 am

Killing is "wrong" in the context of dharma, Wouldn't you agree?

Refrain from killing is "right" in the context of dharma, Wouldn't you agree?


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