Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

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CSEe
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Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby CSEe » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:02 pm

Dear all , at my current awareness in search of Buddha we must gain awareness not knowledge .
Knowledge in my perception is measurement of knowing in our world . Knowledge can be obtained by reading / touching / seeing / listening / experiencing etc , can be compared / tested / certified even challenge in court of law .
Basickly knowledge in our world is almost everything .
But in search of Buddha , at my current awareness is my common sense that we have to gain awareness not knowledge .

awareness in my perception is measurement of our energy towards purity / emptiness - the Buddha .
Knowledge is only tiny part of awareness as in awareness there are compassion / desire / emotions /suffering / determination etc . All these is our life and in buddha all these is pollutant .
we have to understand all our awareness ( suffering / desire / emotion / compassion ) to be awake , to be pure and free of all pollutant and to be Buddha-the final destination of all .

We grow by our awareness in Buddha not age or knowledge . In gaining more awareness we must born / survive / die to understand all these pollutant , to be more awake and pure .
In gaining awareness , we must under-go purification process to be pure and death / birth / survival is part of that process .

All living / non-living are under-go thier own purification process in thier own way / thier own speed .

That is my awareness .
Comment please .

Hanzze
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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby Hanzze » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:10 pm

Dear CSEe,
do you think it is possible to increase the speed of the purification process?

(By the way, is that you on your picture?)
Just that! :-)

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby ground » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:32 pm

CSEe wrote:... we must gain awareness not knowledge .


CSEe wrote:... at my current awareness is my common sense that we have to gain awareness not knowledge .


CSEe wrote:awareness in my perception is measurement of our energy ...


CSEe wrote:we have to understand all our awareness


CSEe wrote: We grow by our awareness



CSEe wrote:That is my awareness .

Fine. So you have that awareness you are longing for. Wonderful.

Kind regards

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby plwk » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:59 pm

So does this awareness works only when the sun shines or also when it rains?

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby CSEe » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:57 pm

Hanzze wrote:Dear CSEe,
do you think it is possible to increase the speed of the purification process?

(By the way, is that you on your picture?)


Hi Hanzze , I hope that is me on the picture , is my koi fish . In search of buddha , at my current awareness we should understand more on our emotion / desire / compassion and all our inner self that form as our awareness ( we in our current world call it as life ) so that we could move on higher awareness to be closer to purity - the buddha .

By learning from other ( all living and non-living ) and by sharing awareness with other people with sincere heart with a perception that all living and non-living is the same and equal will increase our own awareness .

Mr Siddharta had indeed shown us a way , with his fear / suffering / his search and what might he had saw is a platform for me to explore own awareness .
Example ;- You perhaps have your own perception on life / afterlife , on love , hate , joy , sorrow , death based on your understanding / awareness in Buddha that we could share so by learning your emotion / desire / compassion from you I could understand more on my own awareness ....yes I could speed up my purification process .
We just have to understand what is Buddha and go from there .

The more we learn from other on awareness , the more we understand our own awareness and we will be able to be " same and equal" , be able to be awake and to be pure .

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby CSEe » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:06 pm

TMingyur wrote:
CSEe wrote:... we must gain awareness not knowledge .


CSEe wrote:... at my current awareness is my common sense that we have to gain awareness not knowledge .


CSEe wrote:awareness in my perception is measurement of our energy ...


CSEe wrote:we have to understand all our awareness


CSEe wrote: We grow by our awareness



CSEe wrote:That is my awareness .

Fine. So you have that awareness you are longing for. Wonderful.

Kind regards


Hi TMingyur , "awareness" is not static but constant changing / moving . We just have to learn from all to move higher . We grow by awareness in Buddha just like we rich by money in our current world .
In my whole life time I could only learn a bit ( I hope ) but to be "in" what Mr Siddharta saw perhaps need trillions of death/birth / re-birth . I need to understand more on my awareness to be awake .
Sir , I wanted to learn more from other here infact I admit that I had learn alot here since I started writing .

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby CSEe » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:12 pm

plwk wrote:So does this awareness works only when the sun shines or also when it rains?


Hi piwk , so nice to hear from you sir .
I not really understand you .
Awareness in my perception is measurement of our energy towards purity / emptiness - the Buddha . Awareness is all our compassion / desire / suffering / emotion that we named it as life but in Buddha this is poluttant .

Thks
Ee

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby White Lotus » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:29 pm

thought is awreness,
feeling is awareness,
own nature is awareness,
mind is awareness,
all forms are awareness,
loving kindness is awareness.

but i am inclined to think that aspects of own nature are also the same as in deep sleep...
unconscious, especially when we see it within ourselves. own nature goes beyond awareness in that it is not all known, nor can it be. Awareness is a form of knowing, as objects 'own nature' can be known, but within it is unknowable, though it can be seen.

love, White Lotus.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby Hanzze » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:32 pm

Dear CSEe,
I think it is like the picture of your fish. When we are not very mindful we like to share something, here it was the fish, but in the background we share our "self". When ever we share something that is very close to us, we mostly share our self. Do you think awareness is something very close to one self?
Why did you take your fish as your picture. And let me ask more direct, is it you had making the picture seen as refection in the water on your picture?
Just that! :-)

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby CSEe » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:59 pm

White Lotus wrote:thought is awreness,
feeling is awareness,
own nature is awareness,
mind is awareness,
all forms are awareness,
loving kindness is awareness.

but i am inclined to think that aspects of own nature are also the same as in deep sleep...
unconscious, especially when we see it within ourselves. own nature goes beyond awareness in that it is not all known, nor can it be. Awareness is a form of knowing, as objects 'own nature' can be known, but within it is unknowable, though it can be seen.

love, White Lotus.


Hi White Lotus , thks for sharing .
Ee

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby CSEe » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:04 pm

Hanzze wrote:Dear CSEe,
I think it is like the picture of your fish. When we are not very mindful we like to share something, here it was the fish, but in the background we share our "self". When ever we share something that is very close to us, we mostly share our self. Do you think awareness is something very close to one self?
Why did you take your fish as your picture. And let me ask more direct, is it you had making the picture seen as refection in the water on your picture?


Hi Hanzze , yes I would agress with you , when we sincere and regards all same and equal there are alot to share . Awareness is our life but is pollutant in Buddha . We must get rid of all this emotion / desire / compassion / all good & bad to be pure .
I love this fish alot , I didnt aware of my reflection on water......


Thks
Ee

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby ground » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:33 pm

CSEe wrote:Hi TMingyur , "awareness" is not static but constant changing / moving .

Of course. Everything is impermanent and subject to disintegration.

CSEe wrote:We just have to learn from all to move higher . We grow by awareness in Buddha just like we rich by money in our current world .

The Buddha advises not to place hope on what is impermanent and subject to disintegration.

CSEe wrote:I need to understand more on my awareness to be awake .

So you think it's yours?

Kind regards

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby alasdairyee » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:25 pm

CSEe wrote:awareness in my perception is measurement of our energy towards purity / emptiness - the Buddha .

What do you mean by measurement of our energy towards purity/emptiness? What energy is that?

CSEe wrote:Knowledge is only tiny part of awareness as in awareness there are compassion / desire / emotions /suffering / determination etc . All these is our life and in buddha all these is pollutant .

Not intentionally trying to pick on the little things but, I'm trying to understand what you mean by awareness. I think in buddha, compassion is a gem not in pollutant.

I do get this feeling that your awareness got something to do with some innate realisation where you wake up to something different. If it is so, I think it would be better to use the term realisation. But from what I believe this realisation is the result of firm cultivation/meditation just like how The Buddha did. (Maybe some of our Dharma friends can share some tips on that?)

we have to understand all our awareness ( suffering / desire / emotion / compassion ) to be awake , to be pure and free of all pollutant and to be Buddha-the final destination of all .

Partially understood. To realise the ultimate natue of reality would allow us to be more awake, or in your words. A higher level of "awareness".

We grow by our awareness in Buddha not age or knowledge . In gaining more awareness we must born / survive / die to understand all these pollutant , to be more awake and pure .
In gaining awareness , we must under-go purification process to be pure and death / birth / survival is part of that process .

To undergo purification process, it is not as simple as birth/death and survival. You believe in karma right? To be purified in my opinion is to rid of negative karma, which are also known as bad intentions and deeds, we need to be free from that. We can purify ourselves further by doing good deeds, practicing compassion, helping others, having good intentions. The next higher step would be to cultivate, to meditate, to tame the monkey mind so that we can be in more control of our thoughts. Or even meditate on emptiness to reach higher "awareness" or realisations. This is my own humble and limited understanding of the Dharma. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Where did you get the term emptiness from? Is it from Buddhism like what the Buddhist schools are teaching now? If so, it would be better to read up on emptiness to better understand it. I know you don't like reading but I'm sure you got the term of emptiness and a slight understanding of it from reading some books somewhere, if I'm not wrong. Maybe our dharma friends who have a better understanding can share with us here. Please do.

To highlight one misconception about emptiness is that emptiness is not nothingness, emptiness is devoid of inherent existence.

Here are some readings:
http://www.lamayeshe.com/index.php?sect=article&cid=210
http://www.lamayeshe.com/index.php?sect=article&id=386

Namo Amituofo!
(Tell me if I got anything wrong)

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby Blue Garuda » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:37 pm

CSEe wrote:By learning from other ( all living and non-living ) and by sharing awareness with other people with sincere heart with a perception that all living and non-living is the same and equal will increase our own awareness .


If we are all the same and equal there is nothing to be gained from others. You already have equal awareness and nobody else needs to share it; nor do you need to learn from others.

Therefore, whay seek what you already possess? Your logic dictates that you must look to yourself, and nobody else, so why are you here on a forum?
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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:35 pm

Greetings,

Yeshe wrote:Your logic dictates that you must look to yourself, and nobody else, so why are you here on a forum?

A very astute question... I look forward to hearing CSEe's intentions.

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby CSEe » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:45 am

TMingyur wrote:
CSEe wrote:Hi TMingyur , "awareness" is not static but constant changing / moving .

Of course. Everything is impermanent and subject to disintegration.

CSEe wrote:We just have to learn from all to move higher . We grow by awareness in Buddha just like we rich by money in our current world .

The Buddha advises not to place hope on what is impermanent and subject to disintegration.

CSEe wrote:I need to understand more on my awareness to be awake .

So you think it's yours?

Kind regards


Hi TMingyur , I believe my awareness is " my life" in current world but is poluttant to purity -the Buddha . I must understand it in order for me to eliminate it , is my "waste" . The lesser I have all these desire / emotion / compassion etc , I will become more pure and closer to Buddha .
Thks
Ee

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby CSEe » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:43 am

[quote="alasdairyee
Hi alasdairyee .
Ar my current awareness and based on information / knowledge / gossip which I choose to believe from Mr Siddharta regards to his finding and some info on science , is common sense for me to believe that all living and non-living in this entire universe is a form of energy .
All these energy are not stable as they constantly changing shapes / evolved / transformed in their on speed / way -to be stable , to be pure , to be empty so perhaps this is "Buddha" .
So 'Buddha" is final destination of all . As human , our awareness is all our desire / compassion / emotions etc is our life but in search of " Buddha" these is pollutant . I must be free of having all these pollutant in order for me to be "in" what I believe Mr Siddharta saw -the Buddha .
Awareness is a measurement by our own energy towards purity , how pure we are to buddha . The less we have all these pollutant the closer we are to Buddha .
Sir , this is only my perception / awareness , this cannot be right or wrong simpily this is what I believe now 20/2/11 at 0914am Malaysia time . If some one could be able to show me otherwise and move my awareness I will perhaps have totally different perception .
Sorry if the term " Buddha" I used is wrong here .
In Buddha all good / bad is never exist . In search of Buddha I believe good will lead me to Buddha , bad will makes me regret and delay my purification process .
Perhaps you are right , due to my short coming in words . The term " awareness" I had use perhaps not the best to explain but I think is fair enough to show my point .
I better not use the word "karma" . But I believe in search of Buddha I must act based on my awareness but if I act against my awareness due to my desire / emotion so when I move to higher awareness , I will more aware of my bad act , I will regret my action , so I will suffer of my bad act and will change / rectify my own previous bad act on my own will . In search of Buddha , I will clean my "rubbish" by my own will .
One of the reason why I refuse to read is there are so many culture / so many tradition / too many teaching of monks / too many difficult words used in teaching so is impossible to know which is right until I die . If human continue to have idea , perhaps we need another 2500 years to agree on certain term .
I focus on Mr Siddharta fear / his search / what I believe he might saw and gossip about him as my based for own exploration .
I am not associated with any Buddha association , I am just a man trying to understand death so that I could explain to my daughter about life / death so that she will understand ,not suffer when I die or when she get sick .
Sorry if it sound very selfish , but that is my intention here to learn from other awareness to understand my own awareness and to explain to my daughter as a gift before I die .

Thks
Ee

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby CSEe » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:07 am

[quote="Yeshe
Hi Yeshe , In search of Buddha I believe I must regards all living and non-living same and equal with me . I am not greater than a virus or smaller then the sun , all living / non-living can be my "teacher" to show me thier desire / compassion / emotion / lifestyle / chractor if only I wish to learn from them . Each have different awareness than we can share and learn .
Let me give you an example :-
Say all of us here going to a same destination call " Buddha hotel' . You might drive a ferrari , other might fly there , some perhaps walk so as I might be crawl there.
So assume I am 1000 km away and you are 100 km away , so is better for me if I use my mobile phone call you ask you about the journey . You be able to give information on the road which I will take since you already took .
Yeshe , in Buddha is all about own awareness . By learning from others on thier awareness , we must look into our self and learn . If it moved us to higher awareness that good if not then ok we move on .
You see Yeshe , if only we have our awareness we will change just like if I want to reduce my weight , is all up to my determination . Not my trainer or books that I read . But to gain my awareness , I must also learn from other perhaps when I saw somebody suffer diabetic due to his over weight , his suffering . his desire perhaps will move me .
We need " pushing factor" to move in awareness , that why I wish to learn from other .

Thks
Ee

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby ground » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:21 am

CSEe wrote:
TMingyur wrote:
CSEe wrote:Hi TMingyur , "awareness" is not static but constant changing / moving .

Of course. Everything is impermanent and subject to disintegration.

CSEe wrote:We just have to learn from all to move higher . We grow by awareness in Buddha just like we rich by money in our current world .

The Buddha advises not to place hope on what is impermanent and subject to disintegration.

CSEe wrote:I need to understand more on my awareness to be awake .

So you think it's yours?

Kind regards


Hi TMingyur , I believe my awareness is " my life" in current world but is poluttant to purity -the Buddha . I must understand it in order for me to eliminate it , is my "waste" . The lesser I have all these desire / emotion / compassion etc , I will become more pure and closer to Buddha .

In a sense this is true and complies with what the Buddha taught : What you experience as "life" and "mine" [my life] is a pollutant, i.e. is "not knowing" and if you rid yourself of these pollutant you are getting close to or even will become "a Buddha".
You have to rid yourself of desires and emotions ... yes I feel that that's it.

However the fact that you even want to rid yourself of "compassion" seems to indicate that you do not understand.

If what you mean is that you have to rid yourself of ordinary compassion, i.e. transform it into supramundane compassion then it may comply.

Kind regards

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Re: Knowledge and Awareness in Buddha

Postby Hanzze » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:28 am

I guess one good way to attain more awareness is starting to listen to other opinions. If we are just present and observe what is going on, without the desire of running between, we can not only find out the desire of others, we also find out our own desire, hatred and fear.
Attaining peace, needs awareness.

For example, you are sitting on your land and a stranger is entering noisy your land. Most of us would suddenly get nervous, and start to think: "Who is he?", "What is his plan?", "Is he a friend?", "Is he an enemy?", "Will he steal something?", "Will he hurt us?", "Did I something wrong, that he is here?" and so on, thousands of thoughts.
Maybe we start to ask: "Hey, what are you doing her?" or "This is my land." or "Nice to meet you!"... in any way we desire to find out why he does not follow or rules.
Sometimes the stranger would leave, sometimes the stranger would start to feel hurt, gets aware of your position. In any way a kind of struggle begins. Actually we haven't been much aware as we are suddenly attached to or selfs.

If we stay relaxed and centered and just observe, we would on one hand see our thoughts and fears rising and we would see what he actually likes. How noisy he might be, if he gets not pushed he will grow silent or more aware or he will leave again.
Normally when the stranger entered a land, he used to struggle he used to discuss, he is used to be bannered, so everything is as usual and he would not find a reason to get out of his movie.

I guess sharing awareness begins with the own awareness, the own calming, the own step to peace. When we start to be just present, we are able to listen and we will also hear our own mind, without being much attached to it.

Sharing awareness is sharing peace. The more we are peace and mindful the more we are able to talk, and it is not a language of word and letters. Compassion calm one self and if we calm our mind we also have attain the amount of compassion that is needed to keep this peace alive.
There might be a moment when our awareness touches each other, that moment is the bridge to share awareness.

It is good to start with listening, even when we like to express something very important and helpful. There is no need to fear to loose something what is actually not ours.
Sometimes a stranger is our very best friend.

"Be mindful!", with this words Siddharta left. With this word the tool to Buddha is still here.
Just that! :-)


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