Mahayana ultimative or relative?

[Hanzze]

Is it useful to seek for, or believe in a ultimate enlightenment a kind of ultimate being?

[ground]

It is useful to practice and reduce or (even better) eliminate papanca ("monkey mind").


Kind regards

[retrofuturist]

Greetings,

It is useful to practice and reduce or (even better) eliminate papanca ("monkey mind").

Maitri,
Retro.

[Sherab]

Is anyone advocating a completely blank mind? If not, what does eliminating papanca lead to? If the answer is insight, how does eliminating papanca leads to insight?

[Jnana]

If not, what does eliminating papanca lead to? If the answer is insight, how does eliminating papanca leads to insight?

Insight (vipaśyanā) results in freedom from conceptual proliferation (niṣprapañca). This freedom from conceptual proliferation is noble gnosis (āryajñāna) which is devoid of apperception (saṃjñā) of existence or nonexistence (bhāvābhāva).

All the best,

Geoff

[Hanzze]

Is there a point where we can see the different between papanca and insight? In a relative or ultimate way?

[Jnana]

Is there a point where we can see the different between papanca and insight? In a relative or ultimate way?

All differentiation of phenomena is relative. The entire path is relative. No phenomenon is ultimately established. Realizing this results in freedom from conceptual proliferation (niṣprapañca).

All the best,

Geoff