The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

Postby Dhondrub » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:48 pm

To toss in my 2 euro cents into the discussion: Kyabje Tenga Rinpoche says that the deities appear to everyone in the Bardo, but the difference is if you can recognize them for what they are.

I mean you have to have some clue about what an old ugly prostitute is to recognize her when you meet her on the street.

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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

Postby heart » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:23 pm

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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

Postby Pero » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:15 pm

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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

Postby heart » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:00 am

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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

Postby Pero » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:00 am

Ah could be I mixed stuff up, will check. Thanks Brian and Magnus. :smile:
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

Postby narraboth » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:07 pm

put in 2 cents more:

I remember I have heard one of my precious lama (Kyabje Penor Rinpoche I think) explaining the benefits of receiving Zhitro empowerments. He did say that one of them is to let you see Zhitro dieties in Bardo. But I think he means that you can recognise them or see them more easily; because he also said zhitro dieties 'already exist in you'.
(For the person who see, appearing but can't be seen is not different from not appearing; probably that's what Norbu Rinpoche meant)

However I have also heard a lama said if one always stayed in a different culture, he won't see exactly the same buddhist dieties as described; rigpa will show to him with different forms.

A deeper question: when we say all beings are dieties and the world is pureland palace, what kind of image do we have in mind? Base on Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche's view, usually that's still a make-up by our own minds, just a good practice though. Like Dewachen has very flat golden ground and with a lot of clean water pools, it's very cooling etc, DKR said it's because those sounds great for Indian people. For other country's people they might want some beautiful mountains or something keep you warm. Anyway the main idea is it's a pure and very nice place, details are not that important.
That's probably not a mainstream saying, but I think what he said kind of make sense.
Dzogchen says everything is extremely pure from the beginning, but the idea of what is pure and what is not pure are actually common thoughts. Rigpa is beyond that. And if it's common idea's pure, then it's not extremely pure, it can only be comparatively pure.

Anyway, an old hooker won't cause problem in Bardo, it's the scene of beautiful man and woman having sex very dangerous! (unless you are into older ladies)

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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

Postby heart » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:11 pm

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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

Postby ronnewmexico » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:19 pm

I have heard that initially it is the wanting to be involved in the compassion between the two partners that firstly occurs(the situation of that). Then from that one is drawn into the sex act and then from that finally to the reproductive organs themselves which are really not all that pretty.

If it didn't proceed in that fashion rebirth would be fairly easily stoppable. If it proceeds in that fashion it becomes almost impossible.

I have only heard this. But it seems to have substance as human birth is considered to be as a result of compassionate effect in some manner. Compassion then would be the basis not lust for bueaty which would perhaps be the basis for choice of a animal birth I would guess.
Its tendency would replicate in the actual form it would seem in how this occurs.

Be informed there is a diversity of opinion on this..."However I have also heard a lama said if one always stayed in a different culture, he won't see exactly the same buddhist dieties as described;
Some say yes some say no.

I am no lama certainly just a uneducated layperson with no accomplishment nor experience but I would guess for most they get only a glimpse. With a glimpse I find I unconsciously as perhaps a aspect of function of awareness fill in the gaps. I see a shadow in the trees at twilight, it being large seems a person. I come closer and find it is but another tree. Not that gross but I could see self filling in the gaps fairly easily even with a constantly studied object assumeing certain known characteristics. So I tend towards the no with the qualifier that what we see becomes culturally enhanced I would assume.
Just personal conjecture however.
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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

Postby narraboth » Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:53 am

hiya, I guess if there's a difference among different culture people, probably it's not totally different, just like you wear a red sun-glass so that you see things as red. Just my guess.

And about how Bardo beings get into the womb, the common situation is that the being is attracted by the combination of man and woman. However it would also work when people don't have real intercourse. Like Bardo beings can still turn into fishes, and fishes usually don't intercourse, they just release their sperm and eggs.

I have read a very interesting article, made by the root guru of Khenpo Jigmed Phuntsok; the article is mainly to tell monks not to have sex. In the text, it describes semen/bindu as the ground where conciousness stand on, therefore after you ejeculate during sex, hundreds millions of Bardo conciousness would go on that. In the end only one being can successfully turn to human, all others would feel greatly disappointed like another death. If one holds bodhisattva vows, he should avoid that, the master said.

I don't know the theory is totally base on what masters 'see' how it works or they also heard something from western medical science.
Probably that will apply to pragnant prevented heterosexual sex. I don't know if it applies to masturbation or same sex intercourse.

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Re: The compatibility of Nyingma and Kagyu?

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