Is my job interfering with my practice?

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Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby uniformsquare » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:26 am

I have a job at a theater my question is in regard to right livelihood. At my job part of my duties depending on the position I am doing for the day I am forced to sell fast food much of that is made from the flesh of animals, does this go against right livelihood?

"A lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in human beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison."

— AN 5.177

Sometimes I am not sure about the morality of the theater business as an whole. I often think it is a bad thing because the web of illusions and lies they we present to the customer in my mind perpetuating greed, hatred, and delusion. Talaputa Sutta: To Talaputa the Actor SN 42.2 The Buddha warns of the effects entertainment has upon those who consume it and says acting is not a good path.

So in conclusion should I have additional reason to find a new job beyond lowest legal pay, poor hours, selling people dangerous food, and almost no upward mobility?

P.S. I hate my job T_T

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Re: Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby Ben » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:44 am

Hi Uniformsquare

I think your job might fall into that morally ambiguous category, not because you are serving fast-food, but because of your proximity to theatre.
My interpretation of 'business in meat' refers to work in an slaughterhouse or butchery. Not quite the same thing as serving meat-based fast food.
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Re: Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby Pannapetar » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:53 am

Theatres does not just entertain; they also educate.

Ajahn Brahm had something intelligent to say on skilful livelihood which seems relevant to uniformsquare's issue in . It revolves around "how" rather than "what".

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Re: Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby genkaku » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:34 pm

Dear US -- Not to detract from any good suggestions here, but I do hope you will consider your own (or others') views of what might constitute right livelihood. Is there some livelihood that is not open to error? If not, what is it that constitutes that error and how can it be corrected?

On a guess, I would say that anything that might be called 'pure' or 'right' depends on your mind or mine. There is no escape from purity or impurity so ... maybe it's best to investigate the mind that rouses up such notions.

Just a thought.
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Re: Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby kc2dpt » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:14 pm

Uniformsquare, I do not think what you are doing constitutes business in meat.
That said, if you feel your job is interfering with your practice then stop doing it.
That is the heart of the practice, looking into your own mind and taking appropriate steps.
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Re: Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby chicka-Dee » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:18 pm

I think one could potentially drive oneself to distraction analyzing such detail of every action (or inaction) that one takes. I think its good to consider such questions, but do not agonize over it. Ultimately it's up to you to decide what actions and inactions are best to take (or not). You have to consider the overall picture of providing for yourself and your family, as well.

But then, I'm not a vegetarian, and don't really understand the difference between killing an animal for self-nourishment, and digging up a potatoe (which kills the plant, doesn't it?) and eating it. The cycle of life is meant to provide for us all, and we for it. It's when waste and greed come into the picture that something is 'wrong', in my view of things. (And fastfood is both.. this would be more my concern.. the litter and poor nutritional value of the food!).

Anyways, that's my 2 cents of thought on the matter, for whatever it may be worth to you :smile:

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Re: Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby kc2dpt » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:08 pm

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Re: Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby kc2dpt » Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:08 am

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Re: Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby chicka-Dee » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:07 pm

Hi Peter :hello:

I'm afraid I'm now scratching my head.. I didn't realize this forum was so narrow-focused as to only include 'Theravadin Buddhist' thoughts and ideas, and exclude all others. My training is of the Theravadin line, but I also draw on teachings from Zen, Taoism, and spiritual teachers outside of Buddhism as well. The Buddha himself asked us to not take his word on anything, to go and find out for ourselves through our own experience. This, for me, is one of my main ways of learning.

I appreciate that Theravadin (and I'm sure many other) Buddhists do not consider plants as sentient. But I also think that part of our spiritual growth is to be aware of, accept and appreciate differences. I certainly don't wish to try and convince anyone that plants are sentient when they believe otherwise, only to point out that not everyone (including fellow Buddhists) believes this. And it's nothing at all personal towards you.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby Ben » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:30 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Is my job interfering with my practice?

Postby chicka-Dee » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:11 am

I humbly stand corrected. Guess that'll teach me for getting my education from wikipedia :oops:

Now :focus:


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