Cops raid at the Karmapas office

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Postby conebeckham » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:45 pm

What I find most interesting about the whole thing is not really What Happened, (though I'm curious to see how it all resolves...), but what subtexts and agendas come out of the woodwork, not only from Indian and State Officials, and the Media, but also the commentators, and even those here on Dharma Wheel. The contingent who are burning the books, those who feel the need to march, those who comment on-line on news stories with Anti-Tibetan or Anti-Dalai Lama rhetoric, those who comment on the corrupt nature of Indian politics, those who leverage this story to prove "Their Karmapa" is the right one, whether it's the so-called "Delhi Karmapa," the "Sherpa Karmapa"...everyone thinks they have a horse in this race, it seems. I think we need to let the facts speak for themselves, and allow the authorities to complete their investigations.....


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It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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Postby Grigoris » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:57 pm

Buffeted by the winds of attachment and aversion
with ignorance at the the helm,
the ship of mind
dashed against the rocks of emotions
quickly sinks to the depths
of the ocean of samsara!
:namaste:
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Postby Mr. G » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:35 pm

His flow of thought untempered by faith and earnest endeavour,
He's fond of a fight. Though he stays in the lonely mountains,
His mind is always distracted by things of the senses.
This contemplative is a carnivore asleep in the mountains.
- Sakya Pandita

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Postby Grigoris » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:41 pm

:twothumbsup:
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Re: Cops raid at the Karmapas office

Postby heart » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:46 pm

I don't get what is the big deal. A great Lama get a lot of offerings and want to buy a big piece of land to make a monastery, a three-year retreat a guest-house for his students and so on. His various secretaries and helpers do things "the indian way", what is that is so strange or suspicious?

And Greg, I find your posts extra strange, it must be 15 years ago or more I heard about Shamar Rinpoche and his fondness for little expensive red sport-cars. He also built a great Shedra pretty central in Delhi, you think that was for free?

My own master build shedras and monasteries and guesthouses and stupas and so on, it all cost money. A great amount of monks and nuns, khenpos and yogis, is also an expensive thing to have.

I must say I am happy they do this work because I am one of the people that benefit from it. The indulgence of spots-car or a girlfriend or an expensive watch is no problem for me.

/magnus
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Re: Cops raid at the Karmapas office

Postby Grigoris » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:50 pm

There are more projections happening in this thread then at an internationally reknowned film festival!
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Postby tamdrin » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:15 pm

Indulgence in sports cars, girlfriends, and expensive watches no problem. LOL that is funny because although I may want those things myself when Tibetan Lama's do such things and then teach renunciation to their students they lose some of their credibility and become more like Osho or some other such teacher...

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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Cops raid at the Karmapas office

Postby Grigoris » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:55 am

Sided? What is this a football match? Should I crack out my team scarf and call over a few hooligan mates of mine to beat the crap out of opposing supporters?
Is there something in my posts which specifically accuses any individual of anything?
Is there something in my posts which specifically supports one individual over another?



Are there plenty of hysterical over reactions in this thread? Ohhhh many more than one could possibly count!
And since when has enjoying oneself in an interesting discussion been a negative trait?

Chill out people, this too will blow over.
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PS For clarities sake, and to be polite, the correct title for the "other" Karmapa is His Holiness the Gyalwa Karmapa Thaye Tinley Dorje. Actually to each "side" either Karmapa, may they both have long lives and benefit countless beings through their teachings and actions, is the "other" Karmapa :shock: . There is no "Sharmapas" Karmapa and there is no "Chinese" Karmapa, they both have names and titles. Best to use them.
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)


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