Before I enter Buddish website , I was hoping to discuss buddhism with other non-monk like myself who is interested to learn from each other awareness since from my past experience is impossible discussing any issue with monk .All the monk just want me to read books or thier own writting as a requirement before discussion. I cant even start to discuss any topic here all seems "reject" me just becouse I choose not to read / listen to any monk speach .
Take a step back, listen to your own awareness, read back your own statement....what do you think this entire paragraph is saying?
In most of the postings, this keeps coming up...what others have done or not done...how long can one keep going on like that?
Until the sun rises in the West and sets in East? Ever thought of how every story has 2 sides?
If one knows that holding a blade tightly in the hand causes bleeding, why not just let go?
Why carry a coffin of dead/past moments on your shoulders when you can have the full present moment to change things around?
You deserve better right? And how can one do that?
First let it go...
I didnt expect of such " rejection" here since I am of the opinion it is not important the way we understand Buddha but instead sharing on how much we know.
Interesting...as far as I have read what and how the responses have been, they are also 'sharing' with you on what they know best just like you are sharing yours...to be fair, since they are not you, is there an expectation to keep seeing statements that are only pleasing to your point of view?
See how the monkey mind works? Again there is no 'rejection', just differing ideas.
So, what is the nature of ideas?
They come and go right? They do not have a personality right? They can be unsatisfactory right?
Just like a child who discovers that a spotlight is hot when touched and burns the hand, so the child understands the nature of the spotlight and hence does not grieve over it or do it again...why? Because the child has seen through one reality of the spotlight...
That's why this is a forum and even in real life, hundreds of ideas and responses are exchanged, am I going to get worked up by it?
In that case, then I don't have a life isn't it, if I spend time obsessing over it?
So for example, take your own statement here.
One can understand based on the above on a simple reading, that having quality ('the way we understand Buddha') is not as important as quantity ('sharing on how much we know'). That's one point of view.
So what? That's the one person's view la. If I can learn something good, fine. If not, then just move on. Next?
Why do I need to think that the other point of view is permanent, then I start to get personal with it, before I know it, create unsatisfactoriness?
Goes back to the earlier example of grasping the blade in the hand. Life is too precious to be wasted...
For me , there are trillions way / trillions source why I have to choose the way I am not comfortable with ..right?
Sure, we are all owners of our own decisions and actions isn't it? As simple as that...
Siddharta maybe dead for 2500 years or more and human still discussing on the terms of his "teaching" , maybe we are looking from different views in Buddhism . Maybe we should allow such teaching to be challanged to improve better understanding .
Sure, even when He was alive, His own senior disciple praised him and declare Him as this and that but the Buddha stopped him to ask if all of what he said was because out of mere respect for a teacher or because that was his true realization.
Remember I quoted the late Ven Master Hsuan Hua?
Once, He asked this disciple if he knew about him and the disciple said 'Of course! You are this and that....'.
Then the Master asked him: 'Right....do you know yourself?'
The disciple kept quiet.
But as I have explained earlier, not every place welcomes this kind of logic or method. For them, another kind of logic/method works for them. Sometimes, it takes a lot of patience and kindness to understand and accept such people. Then when we can see a larger picture and in turn help others to see the larger view, isn't it a win-win situation? By resisting/dismissing them, am I any better than them doing the same?
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind isn't it?
Maybe by reading books or regards "master's teaching" is referral to Buddha , we stop searching .
Again, this is just one view. Searching is neither limited to
or teachers nor is it just about 'thinking freely'.
Maybe if there is no limitation of learning Buddha , we had moved far-far ahead now . Maybe by associate books / monks/ culture / tradition with Buddha is our limitation to know Buddha .
Tell me, who placed the limitation? Who? Myself isn't it?
In a house with many doors,if I shut one door, I am just depriving myself of one open way isn't it?
Why do I do that? That's the 'mystery' for me to crack open la...
One can also look at 'books / monks/ culture / tradition' in this way...it's just one example in an employment scenario.
There will be orientation, manager/seniors, the job description guide, company targets to meet...
So, the Human Resource Dept will bring around and introduce one to the company and people right?
Then when you are back in your own Dept, your manager or senior colleagues will share and teach you the job skills right?
Then one will need to understand the job description list in order to make sense of what to do on a daily basis right?
Then one will need to know what are the overall company targets and quotas to achieve right?
Now, after the initial phase, does one still need the HRD, the manager/seniors, the job description to follow up on you everyday, telling you again and again
like from day one what needs to be understood, what needs to be done?
No right? Why? Because after some time, you would have developed self mastery/independence isn't it?
In fact, there will come the day where one may be needed to play that same role of guiding others either through earned seniority or promotion as the new manager....see how things can change?
So what were the roles of those who initially guided you about?
Like a boat to ferry you across to the other shore isn't it? That's all. Once you have reached the shore, do you still cling on to the boat?
Then of course, life is always interesting...
Some will want to be 'different'. They do things their way. Fine.
Then, when company targets are not met, when one cannot be of any contribution to one's manager/seniors in achieving the goals as a team, what happens?
They think that the company should be free flow, do as one wills and so forth. Can! they will tell you. Do it in your OWN company.
See the similarities?
So one can choose to be a team player, attain self mastery of skills and knowledge and even open one's own company or straightaway open your own company from scratch, bumping here and there. It's a choice.
Just be ready to accept the results, whichever way taken, that's all.
And it gets interesting, when someone comes along with similar ideas of being a free spirit in your company, they want to do things their way, can you accept it? If okay fine, if not? It takes a lot of virtue and merit to be able to see and accept the ten directions' perspectives in a case/person.
It's not easy but not impossible.
As you say there are many way to know Buddha so why bother to discuss my way right ? As I never say read book is wrong , or my way is right.
My way, your way, this way, that way...at the end of the day, one will still have to walk the Way by ourselves...anyway
I was hoping to discuss issue on Buddhism in order to helps me move to higher awareness.
May your wish be fulfilled.
But you see , many people can easily mistaken thier quotation / views is from Buddha simpily becouse they claimed as "Master" of Buddhism study.
I worry about how I get mistaken, what others do, it's their own responsibility. No one can force anyone to accept anything, that decision is completely in one's hands. That's why the Buddha advises one to not simply accept anyone's statements/actions but after careful consideration, if those qualities are skillful; blameless; praised by the wise; when adopted & carried out, it leads to welfare & to happiness, then one should enter & remain in them.
Thanks alot your your kindness in sharing your views and I had learned alot .
It is I who should thank you for this chance of practising kindness and learning another perspective.