not a thing, but there is.

General discussion, particularly exploring the Dharma in the modern world.
[N.B. This is the forum that was called ‘Exploring Buddhism’. The new name simply describes it better.]
White Lotus
Posts: 1074
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:56 pm

not a thing, but there is.

Postby White Lotus » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:42 pm

Hui Nengs famous words... from the beginning not a thing.
the Heart sutra... no eyes no ears no nose etc.
why does the 'own nature' radiate. it feels like something.
awareness may be empty like, but it is still something.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

User avatar
ground
Posts: 1782
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:31 am

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby ground » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:50 pm

As long as there is "body" there will be "something".

Kind regards

User avatar
Rael
Posts: 477
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:36 pm

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby Rael » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:21 pm

Love Love Love

Blue Garuda
Posts: 1967
Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:23 pm

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby Blue Garuda » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:37 pm

Left

User avatar
Dexing
Posts: 420
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:41 am

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby Dexing » Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:57 am

nopalabhyate...

User avatar
Rael
Posts: 477
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:36 pm

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby Rael » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:30 am

Love Love Love

User avatar
Rael
Posts: 477
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:36 pm

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby Rael » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:37 am

Love Love Love

User avatar
Su DongPo
Posts: 183
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:20 pm
Location: Central Taiwan

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby Su DongPo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:56 am


User avatar
Su DongPo
Posts: 183
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:20 pm
Location: Central Taiwan

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby Su DongPo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:07 am


User avatar
Astus
Former staff member
Posts: 6615
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:22 pm
Location: Budapest

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby Astus » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:23 am

From the Perfect Enlightenment Sutra (two different translations):

“Virtuous man, one who practices Complete Enlightenment of the causal ground of the Tathagata realizes that [birth and extinction] are like an illusory flower in the sky. Thus there is no continuance of birth and death and no body or mind that is subject to birth and death. This nonexistence of [birth and death and body and mind] is so not as a consequence of contrived effort. It is so by its intrinsic nature. The awareness [of their nonexistence] is like empty space. That which is aware of the empty space is like the appearance of the illusory flower. However, one cannot say that the nature of this awareness is nonexistent. Eliminating both existence and nonexistence is in accordance with pure enlightenment."

"Good sons, in the practice of Perfect Enlightenment of the causal stage of the Tathāgata one understands these 'sky-flowers,' thus there is no transmigration, nor body/mind to undergo life-and-death. But they are not caused to be non-existent. It is because they lack original nature. Now, this [prior] awareness is in itself void, like empty space. Yet since this awareness that perceives it to be like empty space is none other than the appearance of sky-flowers, you also cannot say that there is no nature of awareness. Existence and non- existence both being dispelled is called 'according with pure enlightenment.'"

It is also like what Huairang said to the sixth patriarch: "To say that it is like a thing is to miss the point." - which applies to believing that there is something (or there isn't).
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



User avatar
Su DongPo
Posts: 183
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:20 pm
Location: Central Taiwan

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby Su DongPo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:35 pm


White Lotus
Posts: 1074
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:56 pm

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby White Lotus » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:01 pm

thanks everyone. i am speaking from experiece of own nature. it is possible to argue that there is no nature whatsoever, this not being a thing is certainly not nothing, though it can be said to include nothingness and everything, purer than either. this not a thing is however still something, but it can be argued also that it is not a thing. it is hard to talk about and even harder to understand other than to call own nature awareness, which is simple.

love White Lotus.
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

User avatar
Rael
Posts: 477
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:36 pm

Re: not a thing, but there is.

Postby Rael » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:54 pm

Love Love Love


Return to “Dharma in Everyday Life”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests