Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:55 am

Manapa,

All of that is you trying to say that a god-thingie is necessary for the origins of life?

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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:20 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

Postby christopher::: » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:37 pm

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:57 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:31 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

Postby christopher::: » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:05 pm

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:25 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

Postby clw_uk » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:46 pm

The whole point of evolution is that it shows ho you get complex life without invoking a god or anything supernatural


As for abiogenesis there isnt a set theory yet (as far as im aware) but the theory of a god behind it isnt going to help the investigation since you put forth and answer to the question that cant be falsified or tested for in any way. It would be no different than me saying life began because of a batman/unicorn monster. There is also not a shred of evidence for it, hence why it comes down to personal beliefs


If we go to the big bang, no we dont know the ins and outs of how it began at the very very begining or what came before but once again, saying "god did it" or "i think god did it" doesnt solve anything and doesnt actually explain anything at all. There is however some scientific ideas about the "pre-universe" via brane cosmology



Life evolved without an agent, no reason why the univese needs and agent in order to function and produce things or have an angent to begin it


I dont mind the whole deist philosophical arguments but not the theists and deists who try to push their beliefs into science


Its interesting that ID has never produced any evidence for its bold claims other than "this is the only way i think it can be"
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Re: Evolution and Intelligent Design/Creationism

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