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Is tobacco a drug

Postby sundara » Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:39 pm

Is tobacco a drug and what are it's effects because I just put the fumes in the canal and in the mouth not in the lungs.

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:44 pm

http://buddhismatoz.com/s/Smoking.html

Ven. Dhammika and others don't consider it a drug, in the sense of street drugs or prescription narcotics. But it can certainly be addictive and harmful to the body.

There are plenty of monks who smoke in Thailand and some other Southeast Asian nations, but the Sri Lankans seem to be the most opposed to it. For monastics, there is usually no health or maintenance reason to smoke, so it probably should not be considered okay, but for lay people the rules are not so strict.
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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:53 am

By not inhaing the smoke you still risk mouth cancer.
Only a fool would continue smoking, given the serious health effects.
The active drug in tobacco is nicotine, while it is not an intoxicant, it is one of the agents within tobacco that will kill you.

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby clw_uk » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:35 am

I myself used to be a heavy smoker, i tried many times to quit but the only thing that worked was Buddhas teachings on attachment and sensuality and meditation practice, put together with patience and forgiveness when i failed the fags went, now i dont ever crave them :)
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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:54 am

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:34 am

Tobacco is self inflicted disease.

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:08 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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smoking and poverty

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:59 am

Hi Jechbi
I absolutely agree. Smoking-related illnesses are rapidly becoming the domain of the lower socio-economic groups, certainly in this country and I assume also in the US as well. Continued smoking also becomes a vehicle for continuing poverty. In this country, the federal government is considering increasing the tax on tobacco to make a packet of 25 cigarettes to over $20. So, for those unfortunate to contract smoking-related disease, the many years of cigarette consumption becomes the financial down-payment which is followed by years of the crippling cost (personal and social) of treatment.
So, in my mind, it becomes even more imperative that those who can least afford tobacco and the treatment of smoking-related disease, do what they can to break the addition. And government sponsored health programs should target those sectors of the community.
Like you, I also smoked but I broke the back of addiction by a 12-week program of nicotine replacement therapy. And I recommend the same to any smoker. I just think that it should be fully subsidised by governments who have reaped billions of dollars from tobacco taxes for generations.
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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:05 pm

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:32 pm

who here has actually looked at the actuall statistics?

I seriously doubt anyone has!

most of the figgures are NOT of a significant difference to make the assurtion that smoking causes cancer.

Japan has the longest life expectancy and the highest amount of cigarets per day per person, but fewer smoking related cancers per 100,000 people than in the US, strange.

http://www.smokingaloud.com/death.html


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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:12 pm

Perhaps you should have a look at this Manapa:
http://www.quit.org.au/article.asp?ContentID=7484
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Learn this from the waters:
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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:43 pm

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:16 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby clw_uk » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:17 pm

Reguardless of if it causes cancer or not it still has a negative effect on health, shortness of breath being one of them
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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:17 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby BlackBird » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:42 am

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Re: Is tobacco a drug

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:51 am

Wow. Tobacco defenders. I am amazed.


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