If you can find a qualified yoga teacher in your area then it would be better to refrain from practicing the "five tibetan rites" as they are largely quackery.kitztack wrote:hi folks and happy new year
i was shown the 5 tibetan rites exercise routine lately
i have a problem with my elbow and sacroiliac joint and am wondering whether these exercises can aggravate existing problems?
any tips anyone would have are greatly appreciated
kitztack
5 tibetan rites exercises
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Re: 5 tibetan rites exercises
I make this 5 Rites
then I make 9 Breathing
next 5 exercise Tsa Lung
and 5 Warrior Syllables.
Yesterday I want write about my experience.
5 Rites - 21 reps
Tsa Lung - 3 reps
5 Syllables - 21 reps
After all, I went to bed because I felt nauseated.
Question:
This is a typical symptom when we are doing everything correctly
or symptom when we do something wrong?
then I make 9 Breathing
next 5 exercise Tsa Lung
and 5 Warrior Syllables.
Yesterday I want write about my experience.
5 Rites - 21 reps
Tsa Lung - 3 reps
5 Syllables - 21 reps
After all, I went to bed because I felt nauseated.
Question:
This is a typical symptom when we are doing everything correctly
or symptom when we do something wrong?
I am from Poland I use google translator I do not know English
Re: 5 tibetan rites exercises
Find yourself a teacher Snovid... before you harm yourself permanently.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
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I do everything according to the instructions from Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche books.
In my village there is no one who is interested in this .
Even if someone had been here, I have no money.
I must do everything on my own
In my village there is no one who is interested in this .
Even if someone had been here, I have no money.
I must do everything on my own
I am from Poland I use google translator I do not know English
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Does Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche teach the so-called "5 Tibetan Rites" in his books?Snovid wrote:I do everything according to the instructions from Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche books.
P.S.: I can't really believe that, 'cause afaik these so-called "Five Tibetans" or "Five Tibetan Rites" are complete bogus.
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5 Rites noI am from Poland I use google translator I do not know English
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In general, if you're feeling bad after doing any kind of breathing practice then yes, something is wrong. Aren't there some videos of TWR on youtube for his tsalung practice from that book?
To the others, just because the 5 Tibetans may not be really "Tibetans" and/or made up it doesn't mean they have no value. Over the years I've seen a bunch of people online that said they've benefited from them. Personally I've tried them years back but I just didn't particularly like them so it was a very short try.
To the others, just because the 5 Tibetans may not be really "Tibetans" and/or made up it doesn't mean they have no value. Over the years I've seen a bunch of people online that said they've benefited from them. Personally I've tried them years back but I just didn't particularly like them so it was a very short try.
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar
- Shabkar
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If it's not Tibetan (and pretends it is) and is not genuine (and pretends it is) then anything "positive" that comes from it must (I believe) be a placebo effect. Not to downplay the utility of the placebo effect, but one must ask oneself: Why gamble on a positive outcome via a placebo and not just take a genuine and trustworthy medicine?Pero wrote:In general, if you're feeling bad after doing any kind of breathing practice then yes, something is wrong. Aren't there some videos of TWR on youtube for his tsalung practice from that book?
To the others, just because the 5 Tibetans may not be really "Tibetans" and/or made up it doesn't mean they have no value. Over the years I've seen a bunch of people online that said they've benefited from them. Personally I've tried them years back but I just didn't particularly like them so it was a very short try.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
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I spoke with my friend
He trains regularly at the gym bodybuilding
He told me that it was normal when the body becomes accustomed to working with less oxygen
and then suddenly we're doing more work and need more oxygen
Nauseated and dizziness is a typical symptom of hypoxia
but when we make exercise regularly ,everything is back to normal
There is a moment where we can see how ChNN practicing these exercises (5:45)
Any way
If something is not Tibetan,its meen this is bad?
Slavs are not Tibetans- Im false human ,NOOOOOO!
I want be Tibetan
He trains regularly at the gym bodybuilding
He told me that it was normal when the body becomes accustomed to working with less oxygen
and then suddenly we're doing more work and need more oxygen
Nauseated and dizziness is a typical symptom of hypoxia
but when we make exercise regularly ,everything is back to normal
Of course,I have book with dvdAren't there some videos of TWR on youtube for his tsalung practice from that book?
Have you seen the movie My Reincarnation?just because the 5 Tibetans may not be really "Tibetans" and/or made up it doesn't mean they have no value.
There is a moment where we can see how ChNN practicing these exercises (5:45)
Any way
If something is not Tibetan,its meen this is bad?
Slavs are not Tibetans- Im false human ,NOOOOOO!
I want be Tibetan
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I am from Poland I use google translator I do not know English
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Sherab Dorje wrote:If it's not Tibetan (and pretends it is) and is not genuine (and pretends it is) then anything "positive" that comes from it must (I believe) be a placebo effect. Not to downplay the utility of the placebo effect, but one must ask oneself: Why gamble on a positive outcome via a placebo and not just take a genuine and trustworthy medicine?Pero wrote:In general, if you're feeling bad after doing any kind of breathing practice then yes, something is wrong. Aren't there some videos of TWR on youtube for his tsalung practice from that book?
To the others, just because the 5 Tibetans may not be really "Tibetans" and/or made up it doesn't mean they have no value. Over the years I've seen a bunch of people online that said they've benefited from them. Personally I've tried them years back but I just didn't particularly like them so it was a very short try.
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar
- Shabkar
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Ok. I'd still be careful. I've felt dizzy when starting of with some practices but never nauseated.Snovid wrote:I spoke with my friend
He trains regularly at the gym bodybuilding
He told me that it was normal when the body becomes accustomed to working with less oxygen
and then suddenly we're doing more work and need more oxygen
Nauseated and dizziness is a typical symptom of hypoxia
but when we make exercise regularly ,everything is back to normal
Yes I've seen the movie though I don't remember this. But in any case he is not doing these exercises (The 5 Tibetans). He is doing Yantra Yoga.Have you seen the movie My Reincarnation?
There is a moment where we can see how ChNN practicing these exercises
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar
- Shabkar
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I also noticed the similarity between Yantra Yoga and 5 Rites.He is doing Yantra Yoga.
Meaby 5 Rites is taken from Yantra Yoga?
I am from Poland I use google translator I do not know English
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It's different bits "stolen" from all over the place.Snovid wrote:I also noticed the similarity between Yantra Yoga and 5 Rites.He is doing Yantra Yoga.
Meaby 5 Rites is taken from Yantra Yoga?
PS What happened to the OP? It seems to have disappeared.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
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Re: 5 tibetan rites exercises
Personally I think they are fine as exercise, whatever their sketchy origins, the movements themselves are basic to various systems of yoga..and for that matter, you do most of them in Judo warmups too!
Doing them as Dharma practice, internal cultivation or something, i'd consult your Dharma teacher, if you're worried about the concerns mentioned by others here.
Far as purely physical viewpoints, for the parts that are upward/down dog, and the table pose, the only issue i've noticed from these exercises is a possibility of Dancers Hip, or Snapping hip, if you already have it - which I do. Good instruction will give you the key points to avoid that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapping_hip_syndrome
If you have tendonitis around the elbow or something, as long as you keep your arm straight (not entirely locked, but not bent either), with your shoulders packed, I doubt you'll have a big problem.
They are not terribly difficult exercises though, if you just take it easy you'll know right away whether or not it causes problems, IMO.
Doing them as Dharma practice, internal cultivation or something, i'd consult your Dharma teacher, if you're worried about the concerns mentioned by others here.
Far as purely physical viewpoints, for the parts that are upward/down dog, and the table pose, the only issue i've noticed from these exercises is a possibility of Dancers Hip, or Snapping hip, if you already have it - which I do. Good instruction will give you the key points to avoid that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapping_hip_syndrome
If you have tendonitis around the elbow or something, as long as you keep your arm straight (not entirely locked, but not bent either), with your shoulders packed, I doubt you'll have a big problem.
They are not terribly difficult exercises though, if you just take it easy you'll know right away whether or not it causes problems, IMO.
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Re: 5 tibetan rites exercises
Snovid wrote:I make this 5 Rites
then I make 9 Breathing
next 5 exercise Tsa Lung
and 5 Warrior Syllables.
Yesterday I want write about my experience.
5 Rites - 21 reps
Tsa Lung - 3 reps
5 Syllables - 21 reps
After all, I went to bed because I felt nauseated.
Sounds like it could be a wind imbalance.
I strongly suggest that you stop trying tantric meditation exercises without the instructions and advice of a real, live teacher and within a buddhist path.
I hope you are aware that messing around with your mind can buy you a ticket in the psychiatric ward. You appear rather unstable already, which goes in accordance withe the fact that obviously you are already in psychiatric care and on psychiatric medication.
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... 76#p201476
So I advise you to stop messing around with your mental health with hilarious, selfmade meditation "exercises".
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Snovid wrote:I make this 5 Rites
then I make 9 Breathing
next 5 exercise Tsa Lung
and 5 Warrior Syllables.
Yesterday I want write about my experience.
5 Rites - 21 reps
Tsa Lung - 3 reps
5 Syllables - 21 reps
After all, I went to bed because I felt nauseated.
Question:
This is a typical symptom when we are doing everything correctly
or symptom when we do something wrong?
The ultimate question which you will ponder on until you find or are given answer:
When does light hurt?
"Then all in the great assembly who had not reached the stage beyond learning were stunned upon hearing these words of the Buddha, and could not perceive where the meaning began or ended. They were agitated and taken aback at the same time, having lost what they had adhered to. 2:127 "
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Last time I did the rites I got a headache. They're better systems out there I think.
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Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
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-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra
"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."
-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats
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When you get a sunburn, silly.JC33 wrote:
The ultimate question which you will ponder on until you find or are given answer:
When does light hurt?
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Try to stay on topic.