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Diamondsean wrote:Brief Biography of Lodro Palden Rinpoche
——Nyala Pema Duddul’s Tulku
Pero wrote:Diamondsean wrote:Brief Biography of Lodro Palden Rinpoche
——Nyala Pema Duddul’s Tulku
I don't believe this at all. Nyala Pema Duddul achieved rainbow body which means no more incarnations. Saying there's a tulku of his is like saying that there's a tulku of Buddha Shakyamuni.
narraboth wrote:I don't understand, I read the article, and it says that great Khen Jigme Phuntsok Rinpoche recognised him as the incarnation of Pema Chopel gyaltso, who's the son of Lerab Lingpa. Rinpoche didn't say that he is the incarnation of Pema Duddul?
If he is Pema Chopel Gyaltso's tulku as described, it's good enough. I read things about him in Chinese, there's nothing about Pema duddul's tulku. The Chinese introduction only mentions that he is the incarnation of Pema Chopel Gyaltso. Maybe there's misunderstanding when someone posted this in English.
Nyala Pema Duddul’s Tulku
Then Khenpo Lodro Palden Rinpoche was formally recognized as the Tulku of Chöpel Gyatso, the Great Rainbow Body Siddha.
where the Great Siddha Nyala Pema Duddul ever practiced and realized the rainbow body.
Diamondsean wrote:I thought that a Jalupa (Rainbow Body Accomplished One) would not come back again. Same as what you think now. But unfortunately it is wrong!
Pero wrote:Diamondsean wrote:I thought that a Jalupa (Rainbow Body Accomplished One) would not come back again. Same as what you think now. But unfortunately it is wrong!
I don't think so. I mean really if this kind of thing were possible then we'd be seeing tulkus of the greatest masters like Shakyamuni, Garab Dorje, Padmasambhava, Vimalamitra etc. but we don't.
Also parinirvana = no more rebirths.
The only way to get out of this is if there is some confusion and with "tulku" is actually meant an emanation and not an actual reincarnation. Like there's supposed to be an emanation of Vimalamitra every century or something.
pemachophel wrote:Who says those who achieve rainbow body can't have tulkus? In fact, they are even more capable of having emanations, limitless emanations. We shouldn't think of rainbow body as being some kind of extinction.
Pema Rigdzin wrote:Pero, "trulku" literally means nirmanakaya or gross emanation body... Tibetans have used a bit of poetic license in referring to former practitioners of a wide range of levels of realization or experience - some not even on the arya level yet - as tulkus. Since nirmanakayas tend to enter this human world through human mothers, quite literally appearing in ordinary flesh bodies, this means they "reincarnate."
Also, traditionally it's said that aside from his rainbow body residing at Wu Tai Shan, an emanation of Vimalamitra also reincarnates - in other words appears to be born in ordinary human fleshly form - in Tibet once every 100 yrs to revitalize the flourishing of Dzogchen there.
Also, about not seeing tulkus of Shakyamuni, Padmasambhava, Garab Dorje, et al, I can only imagine this is a case of emanations of these particular buddhas not being recognized, not of them not emanating here.
There have been plenty of lamas recognized as direct emanations of Chenrezig, Vajrapani, Manjushri, etc, and various female practitioners as emanations of Vajravarahi, Tara and other female buddhas.
Pema Rigdzin wrote:The difference is those masters' stainless enlightened wisdom and compassion, versus our karma and ignorance, not the mode of birth. So I can't see what sense there is in thinking one can't use the word reincarnation when talking about the womb births of buddha emanations.
Heart wrote:I think that when they say emanation of Vimalamitra they feel that Vimalamitras qualities are visible in a person, it is not the same as a Tulku.
Narraboth wrote:Khyentse Wangpo can not be the co-incarnation of many masters either.
Narraboth wrote:however I don't believe Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo is less enlightened than masters who dissolve their bodies into light just because Khyentse Rinpoche didn't show that. If Khyentse can have trulkus, why Jalupa can't?
Ju Mipham Rinpoche claimed by himself that he won't have a reincarnation before his passing. But his trulkus are still recognised by great masters such as Penor Rinpoche.