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Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

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Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

Postby Guy » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:58 pm

Hello all,

I was wondering why it is that some people skip straight from being ordinary beings to Arahants without going through the stages of Stream-Winner, Once-Returner and Non-Returner? Also is it possible to skip 1 or 2 stages (eg. from Stream-Winner to Non-Returner)? What are the reasons for this?

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Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

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Re: Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

Postby kc2dpt » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:55 pm

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Re: Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

Postby Guy » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:17 pm

Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

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Re: Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

Postby Individual » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:06 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

Postby Ben » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:33 pm

Hi Guy
As Peter indicated, all people who become arahants go through the stages of sotapatta, sakadagamita and anagamita. In the suttas, you will find instances of disciples who appear to become arahants almost instantaneously. Almost instantaneously, but not instantaneously.
With these notable noble ones, their journey through the stages occurs incredibly rapidly and is due to the accumulation of paramis over many hundreds of thousands of lifetimes. For inspiration, you might like to have a look at Great Disciples of the Buddha, edited by Bhikkhu Bodhi.
Metta

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Re: Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

Postby Guy » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:54 am

Thanks Ben and Individual, I will check out those references.

With Metta,

Guy
Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

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Re: Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:06 pm

Greetings bhante,

See here: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dham ... index.html

The gist, as I understand it, is that if the View/Understanding is not Right, then how can any other component of the path be "Right".

Metta,
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Re: Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

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Re: Skipping Stages of Enlightenment

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The best things in life aren't things.



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