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Interdependence

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Interdependence

Postby Hoja » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:41 pm

In Hua-Yen School there is the view that everything is a single nexus of simultaneously interdependent conditions. So, in a simple way to say, everything affects everything.

What is the Theravadin view about it? Is just another way to express the paticcasamuppāda doctrine?

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Re: Interdependence

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Interdependence

Postby cooran » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:03 am

Hello Tantrayogi, all,

The Buddha taught Specific Conditionality.

Read Specific Conditionality in "The Great Discourse on Causation - The Mahanidana Sutta and its Commentaries" TRANSLATED FROM THE Pali by Bhikkhu Bodhi

Scroll down to page 13 here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=kMDd3d ... ry_r&cad=0

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Re: Interdependence

Postby Hoja » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:12 pm

Cool! Definitely, I'm more and more akin with Theravada. I will start to learn the suttas.
Thanks to both of you!

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Re: Interdependence

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The best things in life aren't things.


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The best things in life aren't things.


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The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Interdependence

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Interdependence

Postby jcsuperstar » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:09 am

i like the poetic side of interdependence but the mahayana idea of it like the mahayana idea of emptiness while i dont have a problem with them, do seem to just take an idea and drive it into the ground. i'm not sure if this comes from a lot of debate with other indian philosophies that theravada didnt have to deal with because of geography or what.
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Re: Interdependence

Postby christopher::: » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:42 pm

And you make this powerful assessment based on..... ?

Cause the more i read of TNH the more i suspect that many who knock his approach to the dhamma haven't read some of the indepth and detailed things he's written, such as "The Heart of the Buddha's Teachings"... a book that provides the most comprehensive "popular" overview of what the Buddha taught that I've seen so far from a modern Zen teacher.

Not that his approach or teachings are flawless, or superior to what great Theravadin masters teach. I wouldn't put him up on a pedestal, but in my opinion what he's been doing is still very much the teaching of the dhamma, and very helpful to people, just from a Modern Mahayana point of view...

see for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhyamaka

A focus on interdependence is one of the approaches of Madhyamaka, as i understand it, which isnt for everyone, of course.

People come to Buddha's wisdom from different directions.

There is no one single way to teach or practice the dhamma, is there?

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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