I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

Postby muni » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:17 am

Buddhism threatening with hell....well, losing compassion can be a kind of hell.

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

Postby Red Faced Buddha » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:10 am

A person once asked me why I would want to stop rebirth. "It sounds pretty cool. Being able to come back. Who wouldn't want to be reborn."
I replied. "Wanting to be reborn is like wanting to stay in a jail cell, when you have the chance to go free and experience the whole wide world. Does a convict, on being freed from his shabby, constricting, little cell, suddenly say "I really want to go back to jail and be put in a cell. It sounds pretty cool. Being able to come back. Who wouldn't want that?"

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

Postby Leo Rivers » Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:01 am

As a Buddhist and an atheist when I look at such Tantric imagery I think of the fact that all 5 poisons are used to construct the Human Realm, and that real life equivalents of all the landscapes from God Realm to Hot Hell exist in the events of the World somewhere all the time. So I don't need a duplication of the 6 realms in an alternate dimension. I get it.

But Buddhism has its own evils. The questionable way the excuse "people of smaller minds need the Dharma explained in terms they can relate to" facilitates selling magical rites for health and wealth rites for instance.

"Saving poor people" by frightening them into "Good karma making behavior" is pretty arrogant an attitude too.

I don't think ranking Views in teaching environments should stretch to "selling" different Views of Dharma by demographic in carrying the Dharma to the World.

Also, the way Buddhists all over the world shrug off child prostitution and those suffering from social evils by saying "it's their Karma, not my business" - Buddhism is millions of people, the 5th largest religion. It's all over the map as to what you will see it do.

On the other hand - hell realm depictions are a kind of entertainment, just like Freddy. Look at Medieval 7 Sin Pageants in Europe! They were live action gore and soft-core porn shows that each ended in a gratuitous "punishment" of the sinner as the crowd roared!

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

Postby GarcherLancelot » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:36 pm

If I am not mistaken there is a sutta or sutra that say a person without good virtue might end up in hell for a small misdeed,can anyone tell me which one is it?.. .

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

Postby greentara » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:24 am

Ikkyu, It's best not to put any religion on a pedestal. Buddhism and Eastern religion have got a better 'road map' Basically the message is, still your mind! How you do it and your level of concentration and ripeness is at the base of it. Some seekers try to find solitude in the mind and 'find themselves' others think they are doing something different and want silence to 'lose themselves'....whatever it's best just to keep quiet.

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

Postby GarcherLancelot » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:47 pm

Ok,so what are the ways one can end up in hell?Other than having bad karma in this lifetime.. .I heard the final thoughts before dying is also important.. .?.. .

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

Postby songhill » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:29 pm

Let's face it. The hells of which the Buddha speaks are suffering to the max. But the source of suffering comes from seeking delight in the five skandhas, the psycho-physical organism, consisting of material shape, feeling, perception, habitual tendencies, and consciousness. This is why the Buddha taught escape from the pscyho-physical organism (S. iii. 29) and by, implication, escape from the hells.

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

Postby GarcherLancelot » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:46 am

And theres another one.. . if not mistaken where a monk after he passed away complain about being in heaven,and woke up back to his original body.. . and say he prefer to save people from hell or something?.. .

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

Postby Ukigumo » Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:10 am

The OP is a little confusing, to me.

First of all "Buddhism" is not a monolithic bloc. It differs greatly from tradition to tradition, country to country, institution to institution. Thus one's mileage may vary when it comes to what "Buddhism" is "about", based on these differences to say nothing of the points that individuals choose to focus on. One video cannot be seen as being representative of "Buddhism" as a whole, or even Theravada or Thai Buddhism. Thus the question being asked here strikes me as misplaced.

That said, based on my experience I would say Buddhism is not about threatening people with anything. It's about cause and effect. Actions (karma) have consequences (karma vipaka). Truly understanding this, and using this understanding to cut off the root of suffering, is what Buddhism is "about". Everything else is just window dressing.
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Postby The Way » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:46 am

Regarding the video in the OP, I believe it was created by Wat Dhammakaya, a group that should not in any way be considered mainline "Theravada". Many Theravadin practitioners over on Dhamma Wheel have compared it to Scientology or even outright labelled it as a cult. Having the conviction that your actions have consequences is far, far different than threatening people with a version of Hell that looks like a Sims expansion pack.

Also shoot, I apologize for resurrecting such an old topic. That's google search for ya.

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Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with

Postby smcj » Fri May 09, 2014 4:12 pm

One of the epithets for Buddhahood is "The Great Fearlessness".

The point being that at the end of Path there is no fear, but obviously at the beginning there is. Since fear is such an strong operating principal in the spiritually immature, the enlightened use it to move the unawareness of the student towards awareness. It is seen as the thing that will motivate the immature to take action. Later in the teachings, both historically and personally, that emphasis on fear changes towards love, because for the spiritually mature love then becomes the effective operating principal. Ultimately at the end of the Path fear completely disappears and all that is left is love. (Or so I've heard.)
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