Astrology in East Asian Buddhism

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Postby Indrajala » Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:25 pm

You can have your path to the cessation of suffering with a cyclical time-space model of the cosmos. They're not mutually exclusive.
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Re: Astrology in East Asian Buddhism

Postby Kaccāni » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:28 pm

I do not wonder that dates back to confucious. It fits his philosophy of morality where experience has to submit to abstract principles, even if it hurts, rather than models try to describe that which can be experienced.
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Re: Astrology in East Asian Buddhism

Postby Kaccāni » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:03 pm

Hmm. When you take the Brahmajàla Sutta, and the many things that a Brahman should do not for a living, listing whatever way of divination or foretelling as a low art, then I really doubt the astrology part. From the perspective of consciousness, that would have to be some kind of divination. I would assume astrology can only get a hold in a theistic (stars = light = gods) or materialist-magic (external influence on life) setting. But from a perspective of awareness, what should the stars do more than light and dark?

So I can understand a theory of Yin-Yang arising, or a theory of Doshas. That (the energies during the day or seasons) is something that can be experienced, the effect on mind and body can be observed. It does make sense to distribute certain chores throughout the day honouring the doshas, since that will support your natural flow. No divination needed.

But foretelling karmic tendencies by the stars? I doubt that. IMHO it would contradict right view.

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Divination has an interesting aspect to it, when done as self-practice. When you for example take the I-Ging, which only contains "aspects" or views upon something you can have. Then the divination is not mere foretelling, not asking what will be, but can serve as a guidance to awareness when you face a particular challenge. It doesn't really matter which one you pick, as long as you do pick one. That's even an interesting practice to try, find and conquer views which you have aversion, that you would otherwise subconsciously avoid.
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Re: Astrology in East Asian Buddhism

Postby Zhen Li » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:43 pm

It's commonly listed as a form of wrong livelihood for a bhikshu too.

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Postby shaunc » Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:51 pm

It's a known fact that different phases of the sun & the moon affect plants, fish, birds, animals & even people. To think that other planets & stars could also have an effect is not a big ask IMO. Having said that I also believe that making your own luck (karma) plays a much bigger part in what happens or at least what is likely to happen in your life.

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Re: Astrology in East Asian Buddhism

Postby Indrajala » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:14 am

Edward Henning has an interesting article discussing misconceptions of astrology and his conclusions on the matter:

http://kalacakra.org/calendar/!astrol.htm
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Re: Astrology in East Asian Buddhism

Postby Jetavan » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:30 am

Did East Asian Buddhism try to link the grahas to, say, the paramitas, perhaps something like the following:

1. Generosity (dana): Jupiter/Guru
2. Ethics (shila): Sun and Moon/Surya and Chandra
3. Patience (kshanti): Saturn/Shani
4. Zeal (virya): Mars/Mangala
5. Concentration (dhyana): Venus/Shukra
6. Discernment (prajna): Mercury/Budha

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Re: Astrology in East Asian Buddhism

Postby Indrajala » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:28 am

I've not seen this ever.

Horoscopic astrology was practiced by Buddhists in China, Korea and Japan, but it wasn't strongly amalgamated with Buddhist lore and figures. There are astral practices which came from India, particularly those associated with Tejaprabha Buddha, but while they are done in consideration of astrologically auspicious days, they are not astrology strictly speaking.
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Re: Astrology in East Asian Buddhism

Postby Indrajala » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:20 am

Incidentally, I've compiled a chronology in table format detailing the development of occidental astrology and its introduction into India and East Asia. See the following:

https://sites.google.com/site/dharmadep ... logy-in-ea" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


It is a work in progress, so errors are to be expected.
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Re: Astrology in East Asian Buddhism

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Re: Astrology in East Asian Buddhism

Postby Indrajala » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:26 pm

Video lecture on Buddhist Astrology in China:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_o1eaam-98
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