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What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby uniformsquare » Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:58 pm

When reading all of the Sutta Pitaka which Nikaya should you start with?

Slightly unrelated to the first question, what is the most accurately translated print version of the Khuddaka Nikaya and where might I obtain it?

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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby clw_uk » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:05 pm

The Majjhima Nikaya to start with IMO


As to the 2nd question im not really sure, someone else here might have more information


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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:08 pm

I recommend starting with the inexpensive and excellent collection:
In the Buddha's Words, By Bhikkhu Bodhi
First chapter can be dowloaded here:
http://wisdompubs.org/Pages/display.lasso?-KeyValue=104
That gives an overview of all the Nikayas and an idea of the range and scope.

Then, as clw_uk says, the Majjhima Nikaya
http://www.wisdompubs.org/Pages/display ... eyValue=54
with the help of talks from Bhikkhu Bodhi:
http://www.bodhimonastery.net/bm/about- ... ikaya.html
and the Buddhist Society of Western Australia:
http://www.bswa.org/modules/mydownloads ... php?cid=28

As far as the Khuddaka Nikaya is concerned there are some good (and awful, particulary for the Dhammapada) translations of the various parts. The advice here is quite good:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/index.html

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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:42 pm

I'm partial to the Anguttara Nikaya, but they are all good. The Digha Nikaya, I think is a good place to start.

There is no right or wrong way to start, but my preference is for DN, MN, SN, AN, KN

The best translation in English for the KN is still http://www.palitext.com/
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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:11 pm

Greetings,

My preference is SN, AN, MN, DN/KN

The reason is that generally speaking the suttas in the SN are the oldest, followed by AN, then MN. That's a very rough guide because obviously suttas were compiled at different times throughout all the nikayas but I think this is a good way to start if you plan to read them all.

However, it must be acknowledged that reading them all does take a while, so either reading suttas online or a compilation such as Bhikkhu Bodhi's "In The Buddha's Words" might well be a better introduction.

Unlike TheDhamma, I think the Digha Nikaya is a terrible place to start! It's quite verbose, comparatively speaking.

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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:19 am

Majjhima Nikaya and as for the second question I don't think there is a single volume of that grouping as it is quite expansive.
I did ask this question some time ago,


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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby Rhino » Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:11 am

I would recommend the Majjhima Nikaya, it includes all core teachings of the Buddha. The suttas in Digha Nikaya are very long and can be exhausting for beginners. Anguttara Nikaya contents also much suttas for layman and can be a good starting point too.
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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:44 am

One of my major reasons for recommending the Majjhima NIkaya is that there are a lot of study resources available for it. There are the talks by Bhikkhu Bodhi and the BSWA monks and nuns I linked to above, and quite a few talks by other teachers around the Internet...

There are also various study guides such as:
Pressing out Pure Honey, by Sharda Rogell
PDF here: http://www.dharma.org/bcbs/Pages/publications.html
Study guide for the last 50 by Shaila Catherine
http://www.imsb.org/programs/MajjhimaNi ... labus.html

It is also notable that the Wisdom/PTS translation and notes have been gone over in great detail, originally by Ven Nanamoli, then by Bhikhu Bodhi, and there are some significant revisions in the various editions.

I am currently (slowly) reading Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation of the Samyutta Nikaya, which is also excellent, and benefits from the work that he did on the Majjhima Nikaya. But the sheer volume makes it much more difficult to come to grips with and I am not aware of a good general guide. However, I note that "In the Buddha's Words" does make a lot of use of the SN, and if you've read that collection then you'll find many familiar things in the SN...

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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby adeh » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:38 pm

Of the books the Khuddaka Nikaya The Itivutakka and the Udana in particular are both wonderful books and there is a good translation of the two by John Ireland. The Sutta Nipata is also a great book, but I personally don't like either of the translations available in English. The Norman translation is accurate but very dry [IMO] and the Saddhatissa translation is just O.K.

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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby PaulC » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:43 am

In purely literary terms, I'd go for the Khuddaka Nikaya.

Buddharakkita's bilingual Dhammapada is excellent for getting a sense of the poetry of the Pali (the eight-syllable lines, etc.). Though Ananda Maitreya's English is perhaps a tad more authoritative.

I kind of like H. Saddhatiss'a Sutta Nipata.

Then Thanissaro's superb translations of the Theragatha/Therigatha (and also his Itivuttaka) are at Access to Insight:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... index.html

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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby JohnK » Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:28 pm

"Why is it, Master Kaccana, that ascetics fight with ascetics?"
"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics" (AN 2: iv, 6, abridged).
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Re: What Nikaya to start with when reading the Sutta Pitaka?

Postby ToVincent » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:05 pm

Go to here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kmgzaqkth6vxf ... tTexts.zip
download (safe - only html and the basic short javascript is harmless) - and install (very good translation).

Then go here:
https://justpaste.it/11ovc
And read these suttas starting with SN 12, SN 22, SN 35 and SN 45
These are the core doctrine of Buddhism.

Why this selection?
Because they have parallels in the Agamas; the Samyukta Agamas. Which mean that they are not sectarians. IOW, they are common to different schools.
And Samyutta (Pali Nikayas)/Samyukta (Chinese Agamas) are more oriented towards the doctrine. Moreover, they are considered by serious scholars has being earlier than the rest of the Suttas (DN,MN, AN).


Also Thig & Thag are nice to see how monks and nuns were applying the Teaching. Lots to learn about practical stuff here.
Therigatha - Verses of the Elder Nuns
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... index.html
Theragatha - Verses of the Elder Monks
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... index.html

Also, I believe you should start with the Parayanavagga — The Chapter on the Way to the Far Shore.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... ml#vagga-5
This is definitely a short invaluable read.

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SN 35.241
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