Historicity of Mahayana Sutras -- Does it matter?

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Historicity of Mahayana Sutras -- Does it matter?

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Re: Historicity of Mahayana Sutras -- Does it matter?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:36 am

Greetings,

It matters to me and that's the main reason I'm a Theravada Buddhist to be honest.

But then, I'm more interested in whether it matters to you (as Mahayana and Vajrayana practitioners), whose practice is in part based upon these Sutras.

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Retro. :)
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Postby Ngawang Drolma » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:44 am

This has been on my mind, so it's good timing for these questions :)
I'll be interested in reading people's responses.

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Re: Historicity of Mahayana Sutras -- Does it matter?

Postby Luke » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:22 pm

The very word "historicity" implies a limited, ordinary human's view of time and reality. Buddhas aren't constrained by the ordinary limitations of time and space.

No religion can be proved by logic alone. In the end, you just have to rely on a combination of your own logic and intuition and make the best choice you can. Meeting many different Buddhist teachers also helps. Eventually, you will feel that you've met someone who has truly "tasted the pudding."

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Postby dumb bonbu » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:12 pm

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Passions obstruct my eyes and I cannot see him;
Nevertheless, great compassion is untiring and
illumines me always.
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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:21 am

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Postby dumb bonbu » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:26 am

honestly retro, what an "irrational and unseemly" answer! :tongue:
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Postby clw_uk » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:49 pm

As a Theravadin i dont accept the Mahayana sutras as coming from the Buddha. However i dont dismiss them and do like to read some

Bodhidharma - Wake up Sutra, Bloodstream sutra

I also look at the Lankavatara Sutra from time to time


As i said i dont think these came from the Buddha (certainly not in Bodhidharmas case) but i do see them as coming from the sangha. I see them as teachers insights put into sutra form and so i use them in the same way as i use modern teachers dhamma talks and books

So no i wouldnt say the historicity of the sutras is important to use them and get teachings from them unless (and this is my Theravadin hat) the doctrines in them do contradict the Pali Canon Suttas

N.B. However if your approaching it from a want to understand the history of the Buddha then i would say you cant really use them

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Postby clw_uk » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:00 pm

Those who are lust-infatuated fall back to the swirling current (of samsara) like a spider on its self-spun web. This too the wise cut off. Without any longing, they abandon all dukkha and renounce the world

Dhammapada - Verse 347

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Re: Historicity of Mahayana Sutras -- Does it matter?

Postby Luke » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:49 am

Sure, there's nothing wrong with debate if it stays intelligent and constructive. However, anger is a path which leads to hell.

I've seen Theravada get bashed on other forums before, so I suppose I was just trying to be protective.

I see all Dharma texts as objects of refuge, even though I find some wiser than others.

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Postby Ngawang Drolma » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:54 am

Craig, I really like your remarks :namaste:

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Postby thornbush » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:36 pm

Me thinks the sooner I get over all that Hina and Mahaweenie thingy, the sooner I can taste the fruits of the Path :tongue:

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