YOU CANNOT POST. OUR WEB HOSTING COMPANY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SERVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN VIEW THIS VERSION WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW POSTING AND WILL NOT SAVE ANYTHING YOU DO ONCE THE OTHER SERVER GOES ONLINE.

U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated" - Dhamma Wheel

U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
User avatar
Jechbi
Posts: 1268
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:38 am
Contact:

U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby Jechbi » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:25 am


User avatar
gavesako
Posts: 1720
Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:16 pm

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby gavesako » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:04 pm

If you know how typical Thai temples operate, you would not be surprised by the Government's decision: most monks -- far from taking an oath of poverty -- can accumulate a substantial amount of funds over a few years in the West, all of it untaxed donations slipped to them in envelopes by the devotees (for doing chanting, etc.). This could just be called personal gift, but really it is like a salary.
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

- Theravada texts
- Translations and history of Pali texts
- Sutta translations

User avatar
kc2dpt
Posts: 957
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:48 pm

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby kc2dpt » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:31 pm

Except that it IS a gift. There is no contract stating a fixed salary or hourly wage, either on paper or verbal. When asked how much he charges for his services, he can honestly reply "nothing".
- Peter


uniformsquare
Posts: 16
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:34 am

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby uniformsquare » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:42 am

That is too bad. It is the sad to see my government prevent one from doing that which is of the highest calling, teaching the dhamma and living the holy life.

rosuto
Posts: 15
Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:35 am

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby rosuto » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:09 pm

What's really sad is that they want to deport this guy, but millions of illegals here from Mexico are being given a free pass to citizenship. I really wish our government would figure out just what it does want to do.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

User avatar
kc2dpt
Posts: 957
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:48 pm

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby kc2dpt » Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:10 pm

Well, those Mexicans are probably Christian so... :spy:
- Peter


User avatar
Jechbi
Posts: 1268
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:38 am
Contact:

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby Jechbi » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:23 pm


rosuto
Posts: 15
Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:35 am

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby rosuto » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:27 pm

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

User avatar
adeh
Posts: 215
Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:42 pm
Location: Mexico City

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby adeh » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:33 pm

Mexican immigrants don't receive any special or favorable treatment from the "migra" quite the opposite in fact...and they go to the US to do the crappy underpaid jobs most Americans won't do...
Last edited by adeh on Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Jechbi
Posts: 1268
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:38 am
Contact:

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby Jechbi » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:39 pm


User avatar
Jechbi
Posts: 1268
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:38 am
Contact:

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby Jechbi » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:41 pm


User avatar
adeh
Posts: 215
Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:42 pm
Location: Mexico City

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby adeh » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:43 pm

I just corrected that

rosuto
Posts: 15
Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:35 am

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby rosuto » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:27 pm

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

User avatar
appicchato
Posts: 1603
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:47 am
Location: Bridge on the River Kwae

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby appicchato » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:45 pm


User avatar
adeh
Posts: 215
Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:42 pm
Location: Mexico City

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby adeh » Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:03 pm

No human being is illegal.

Individual
Posts: 1970
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:19 am

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby Individual » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:21 am

It's a pretty stupid situation. For instance, it's peculiar that immigration law would actually discourage visitors from getting jobs. Having a job contributes to the overall well-being of the economy and society, so even if this monk actually had a real job, would that be a bad thing? Immigration laws are really such outdated racist policies, which today are supported by xenophobia and ignorance of economics.

I hope the monk gets to stay in America, but if he doesn't, nobody, especially the monk, should be bitter or disappointed, because -- what else should you expect? If there are lots of silly laws and regulators, things like this will happen.

Also, what's special about America? Aren't there countless human beings that are unhappy, countless places to spread peace and harmony? Why America?
The best things in life aren't things.


User avatar
David N. Snyder
Site Admin
Posts: 10648
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:15 am
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Contact:

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:35 am

It's the immigrants coming to America and taking those jobs away that American born citizens love to do, such as:

Waiting at the side of the freeways to sell pottery
Waiting at the side of the freeways to sell fruit
Picking the fruit from the fields in extreme heat for sub-minimum wage pay
Working in restaurants as dishwashers and bus boys for sub-minimum wage pay
Working in monasteries, required to be celibate, no entertainment, and doing community service for no pay

(in case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic.)

The immigrants do the work that the 'native' populations can't do or don't want to do. They also provide skills that are in short supply, such as doctors, nurses, etc. But even if they didn't, there should still be compassion for all.
Image




Individual
Posts: 1970
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:19 am

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby Individual » Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:21 am

The best things in life aren't things.


rosuto
Posts: 15
Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:35 am

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby rosuto » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:18 pm

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

User avatar
David N. Snyder
Site Admin
Posts: 10648
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:15 am
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Contact:

Re: U.S. to deport Thai monk for being "remunerated"

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:00 pm

Image





Return to “General Theravāda discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: unspoken and 56 guests

Google Saffron, Theravada Search Engine

cron