Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby Dorje Nyingpo » Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:05 pm

I received an initiation in the 5 deities mandala of Gyalwa Gyatso (red, single, 4-armed, sitting, mala in upper right hand, plus Padmasambhava, Hayagriwa, Sangwa Yeshe, Dorje Bernagchen/Rangjung Gyalmo/Garwa Nagpo) by Sangye Nyenpa Rinpoche, but so far I couldn't get or find a sadhana text. Can anyone help me and send me the text or the link where I can find or buy one?

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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby Dorje Nyingpo » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:59 pm

To correct myself a little: for the Dharmapalas there my have been only Dorje Bernagchen without Rangjung Gyalmo and Garwa Nagpo.
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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby conebeckham » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:06 pm

If you read Tibetan, there is a collection of Kamtsang Liturgy, 3 vols.--one volume devoted to Gyalwa Gyatso, both Lha Gu and Lha Nga versions, over at TBRC.

Also, you may want to check with folks at Bokar Ngedon Chokhor Ling, this practice was, I think, something taught in the context of a Mahamudra program, and it may continue to be taught. They may have translated some stuff, I don't know.

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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby Dorje Nyingpo » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:07 pm

conebeckham wrote:If you read Tibetan, there is a collection of Kamtsang Liturgy, 3 vols.--one volume devoted to Gyalwa Gyatso, both Lha Gu and Lha Nga versions, over at TBRC.

Also, you may want to check with folks at Bokar Ngedon Chokhor Ling, this practice was, I think, something taught in the context of a Mahamudra program, and it may continue to be taught. They may have translated some stuff, I don't know.

Good luck.


Thank you very much!!! I can read all Tibetan letters, but understand only the special dharma words in Tibetan. At least a Tibetan text of the 5 deities mandala of Gyalwa Gyatso could help to identify the specific deities' mantras and that's my main interest. I don't know TBRC or Bokar Ngedon Chokhor Ling, but I'll try to google them and let you know later, if I was successful!

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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby conebeckham » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:17 pm

Tibetan Buddhist Resource Center, the Shangri-La of Tibetan text:

www.tbrc.org


Bokar Ngedon Chokor Ling monastery Home page:

www.bokarmonastery.org

Also, and this may be obvious, but....did you ask the folks affiliate with the sponsors of the empowerment you received? They may have texts available (though maybe not) or may be able to point you in the right direction.
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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby Dorje Nyingpo » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:04 pm

Oh, thank you for the links!!! Very helpful as I didn't find the time to google yet and then will save precious time!

Well, I asked the center where the initiation took place, but they couldn't provide a sadhana text and there even was some confusion: they anounced the initiation of Gyalwa Gyatso yabyum, put a thangka of Gyalwa Gyatso yabyum on the wall behind/besides the Lama and made copies of this form to give to the initiates which I received also during the initiation, but then Sanyge Nyenpa Rinpoche gave the single 5 deity empowerment!

I tried to get a text despite the center couldn't provide one and later asked some other Karma Kagyü vajra bros and sis related to Benchen Monastery. They asked Tenga Rinpoche and he again gave them a text of the 9 deity yabyum sadhana which they translated and I received therafter! :smile:

But with your help maybe I succed now to get the precise text of the empowerment!

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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby Karma Jinpa » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:26 am

The above story reminds me of Traga Rinpoche's visit to the Florida DDC. We had advertised teachings on the Bardos from Padmasambhava's text, Natural Liberation, but when the time came Rinpoche said he'd brought a different text by mistake (ha!) and instead taught on The Ocean of the Single Intention line-by-line.

I think a number of things are possible here, if I may interject. Perhaps you should try and get ahold of the translator who was with Rinpoche to confirm whether it was the 5- or 9-deity, ekavira or yab-yum form which you received empowerment and transmission for. It could be that you received wang for one, and lung for the other (though this might seem odd, it's not unheard of).

Since Sangye Nyenpa Rinpoche and Kyabjé Tenga Rinpoche both are from Benchen monastery, I have to imagine that there was a reason that you received the sadhana for the 9-deity Gyalwa Gyatso. Maybe because it's the more commonly practiced of the two at Benchen?

Either way, the sadhana was given by the late Tenga Rinpoche to your friends towards the end of his life. They then went thru and freshly translated it and gave you a copy. I'd say there are some major blessings there. Who knows, perhaps that's the reason you were told you were getting the yab-yum... You got the sadhana for it when you inquired later!
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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby Dorje Nyingpo » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:42 pm

Karma Jinpa wrote:Either way, the sadhana was given by the late Tenga Rinpoche to your friends towards the end of his life. They then went thru and freshly translated it and gave you a copy. I'd say there are some major blessings there. Who knows, perhaps that's the reason you were told you were getting the yab-yum... You got the sadhana for it when you inquired later!


Well, thank you very much, you hit an essential point! To be open, the reason why I went to this initiation was that I had a vison of Gyalwa Gyatso yabyum before, giving me the transmission just by touching my energy field with theirs from above my head in a very special occasion.

So in essence I already received the transmission directly form the deity, but without a sadhana or mantra. When I told this experience to my Root Master Chögyal Namkhai Norbu he gave me the tridlung transmission of Gyalwa Gyatso Yabyum from Namchö in Anuyoga style (instant self-transformation with the seed syllable) accompanied by the mantra.

I'm doing this almost daily besides other practices and it has very much blessing, also when done for others. So I already received the most important thing I was searching for! But still I'm completing the sadhanas and mantras of all the transmissions I received for my collection of practices integrating all of them in the ones I actually do.
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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby Dorje Nyingpo » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:35 pm

@Karma Jinpa: BTW, Karma Jinpa is (also) my refuge name I received from Lopön Tsechu Rinpoche in 1994! So greetings to you, dear Karma Kaygü vajra brother! :hi:
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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby Karma Jinpa » Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:20 am

Recently read some quite amazing things about Lopon Tsechu Rinpoche. You're quite fortunate to have connection to such a mahasiddha! A pleasure to meet you as well, kind sir.

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This name was bestowed by Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche not long ago at a very special time in my life. My fiancee (now ex) took refuge as well, and we later found out she was pregnant with our daughter. KKR gave us three part names, and obviously the "Karma" portion is quite common in Kamtsang to denote refuge taken with a teacher in Karmapa's lineage. The same is true in the Drikung lineage, where most names begin with "Konchog," denoting refuge taken with a teacher in Lord Jigten Sumgön's tradition.

I often wonder if European-derived names would be seen quite differently if, like in Tibetan, we used common words rather than ones whose meanings are shrouded in the mists of time and need etymology to decode. Obviously for Westerners there is a possible element of exoticism and romantic orientialism, with one thinking it cool to have a Tibetan name kind of like belonging to a secret club. Personally, I've been interested in foreign languages since I can remember, so it's nothing new as far as that goes. Honestly, i tend to think that my teachers have given me names truer to my being than my legal name, or at least names which show me which qualities I should aspire to cultivate.

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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby Pero » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:52 pm

Silent Bob wrote:Not to be outdone by my friend Cone, I offer this quote from "The Autobiography of Jamgon Kongtrul": "This practice of Jinasagara, being the quintessential life force of the dakinis, is traditionally said to be very hazardous, and so there are many stories of others, too, who have encountered dangers with this practice. For me, though, I just have never experienced a personal retreat more upsetting than this one." (p.67)

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Could someone elaborate on this please? Why is the practice hazardous? What was upsetting?
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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby conebeckham » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:34 pm

If I recall, Pero, he talks in his Autobio about getting sick, and having many "disturbances." I even recall he broke retreat at least once, though maybe that wasn't part of the "disturbance."

You know, it's often said that certain practices come with obstacles; I have heard Kagyu Lamas say that this practice of Gyalwa Gyamtso, 9 deity mandala, is often disturbing. Phagmo is said to have it's fair share of disturbances as well. I think this relates to Lung issues. And it should be clear, we're talking about intensive, "Nyenpa," accumulation-style practice--strict retreat of some length.
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Re: Gyalwa Gyatso / Red Avalokiteshvara / Jinasagara

Postby Pero » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:37 pm

conebeckham wrote:If I recall, Pero, he talks in his Autobio about getting sick, and having many "disturbances." I even recall he broke retreat at least once, though maybe that wasn't part of the "disturbance."

You know, it's often said that certain practices come with obstacles; I have heard Kagyu Lamas say that this practice of Gyalwa Gyamtso, 9 deity mandala, is often disturbing. Phagmo is said to have it's fair share of disturbances as well. I think this relates to Lung issues. And it should be clear, we're talking about intensive, "Nyenpa," accumulation-style practice--strict retreat of some length.

So these disturbances are the inner kind? Do you know if this topic is described somewhere in detail?
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