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Do you believe in rebirth?

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?

Do you believe in rebirth?

Yes
21
72%
No
2
7%
Don't know/not sure
2
7%
Don't care/not important
4
14%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby kc2dpt » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:47 am

- Peter


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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby Ben » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:56 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby nathan » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:56 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby Guy » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:59 am

If you can recall your past lives, then would it be correct to vote "no"? Since it would be a fact that you have remembered, rather than a belief. You don't say "I believe I ate vegemite on toast for breakfast" if you clearly remember doing so, do you?
Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby nathan » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:11 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby Ben » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:17 am

Hi Guy

Well, that's why these sorts of discussions wth regards to kamma or rebirth tend to get 'interesting'. Not that I am suggesting that there is a sub-population of the membership at DW who can remember their past lives! (Maybe there is??). I think part of the difficulty lies in the fact that the path, for the vast majority of us, the path is characterised by the incremental revelation of the nature of reality via direct meditative experience (insight (naana:knowledge)). Yet many of us are living in or have grown up in cultures where a characteristic of the dominant religions is the power of salvation of belief. So I think it is not surprising that the quality of saddha (faith/confidence) in the Buddha Dhamma causes so much discussion.
The way that I look at it, saddha in Buddhism is a completely different beast to the absolute blind belief that one finds in, say, Christianity. In Buddhism, faith is a factor that leads one to insight. One cannot even begin to walk on the path without a scintilla of faith in a number of fundamental assumptions, including, a belief that there must be a better, happier, more wholesome, way of life. Then as we begin to practice Dhamma and we begin to notice some of the benefits for ourselves, there is the confidence that grows in the Dhamma. No doubt it is built on directly experiencing the benefits of practice, but it is also built on saddha (faith/confidence). If we had the attitude that something had to be proven to us before we would accept it, then we wouldn't even begin on the path.
Metta

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby uniformsquare » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:23 am

It seems I am the only one that has chosen, Don't know/not sure. I am told by others this is true but I am yet to verify this for myself, I wonder if it is beneficial to hold this view. I'm not really a man of faith, but I do have a number of working assumptions.

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:26 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby acinteyyo » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:02 pm

When it comes to rebirth, it reminds me that very often that word "rebirth" appears to be taken for granted and everyone knows what exactly is meant.

imho there is birth and birth again and birth again and again and again and so on... but there is definitely no rebirth when this word means "reincarnation (mainly of something)". and when I say "birth" like in the sentence before, I don't just mean physical or bodily birth but also every appearance of any depending on their cause or causes. there is birth every moment and there needn't to be physical death to be born again.

So, how I have to understand the question "Do you believe in rebirth?" or rather how have I to understand "rebirth" in this case?
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby pink_trike » Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:13 am

I _don't know_ and hold no unknowing beliefs. What could I possibly base a belief in literal rebirth on?
Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Disclaimer: I'm a non-religious practitioner of Theravada, Mahayana/Vajrayana, and Tibetan Bon Dzogchen mind-training.

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:16 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby kc2dpt » Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:55 pm

- Peter


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Re: Do you believe in rebirth?

Postby acinteyyo » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:43 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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