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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby mirco » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:02 pm

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"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:26 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby mirco » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:10 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby Dan74 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:19 pm

Yes, most, if not all, teachers are imperfect. Even the Buddha made mistakes.

It is great to feel gratitude to the teacher who has brought the Dhamma into ones life and hard to see his faults sometimes. But if the teacher's intentions are basically good and there is some Right View, she/he can be a wonderful blessing inspite of the imperfections, I feel.

I am sorry if this is :offtopic: here, I don't know the teacher under discussion and I agree that "mine is the only way" rings alarm bells, but I hesitate to criticize.

As an aside anecdote, a fellow Buddhist Religious Ed teacher at the school I do this, is a student of a student of Geshe Micheal Roach, a Tibetan teacher who had gone off the rails some years ago. I actually had read a fair bit about it, but I never mentioned anything to her - it's all widely available and I am no judge of anyone else's practice. Instead a positive support is more useful I think...
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:25 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby badscooter » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:49 am

As stated earlier in this thread,if Vimalaramsi's technique works for you, then by all means use it.. I was just pointing out that his outlandish remarks of other teachers, ideas, and techniques (and his nonfactual story of Buddhaghosa) are unintellectual, untrue, and unwarranted... He could have simply stated that this was his way of interpreting the suttas and that this technique works for him and left it at that.. Instead he tried to bad mouth very respected monks and teachers and make an unsuccessful attempt to downgrade and belittle others' practices and beliefs. Doing so without a shred of evidence on top of it.. Monks are not supposed to spread false truths (especially of other good monastics), I find that this is hard for him to follow.


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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby dhammarelax » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:24 pm

Even if the flesh & blood in my body dry up, leaving just the skin, tendons, & bones, I will use all my human firmness, human persistence and human striving. There will be no relaxing my persistence until I am the first of my generation to attain full awakening in this lifetime. ed. AN 2.5

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby dhammarelax » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:34 pm

Hi tiltbillings

I have never spoken to Bhante Vimalaramsi but I think that I can correctly assert that the attainment is such because after some time I had again the experience of cessation of perception and feeling and this time I experienced the fruition as well, now what follows the fruition is really something that can not be mistaken, is a very happy feeling that lasts for a long period of time we are talking a few days or so and after that there is a real personality change. The hindrances still arise but they will not take control so easily they are much more manageable and I became much more calmed.

I say that what follows the fruition cannot be mistaken comparing it with the path attainment that is seeing the links of dependent origination, this links present themselves as blinks of light that can be easily mistaken for something else or for something without importance.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:03 am

The question of the Buddha making mistakes has been moved here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=22342

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby dhammarelax » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:57 am

Even if the flesh & blood in my body dry up, leaving just the skin, tendons, & bones, I will use all my human firmness, human persistence and human striving. There will be no relaxing my persistence until I am the first of my generation to attain full awakening in this lifetime. ed. AN 2.5

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby Paganpants » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:18 am

Different Meditation practices work for different people at different times, that's why the Buddha taught so many different methods. The criticism arises from attachment to views, as the Buddha taught, this is the strongest attachment. The Buddha even gave contradictory teachings because the teaching is designed to break attachments specific to those audiences being taught, but the core of his teachings are always the same. When I succeed in meditation, there is nothing to say, and nowhere to go. Right view is no view. All is relative, arising and passing away dependent on causes and conditions, attachment is identification with these momentary holograms. Let go of views, watch the dhammas do what they do. Right view is an attitude of calm detachment. This is the first of the noble path for a reason. So I don't understand how so much debate exists in the sanga. Right now as you read this comment, what views arise? These views arise resulting from attachment to contrary views you like. If you HOLD any views, you will suffer. Views are relative, impermanent, and impersonal like all other conditioned things. Views arise and pass away like the sound of a bell or the sounds in your space right now, but you don't try to HOLD those sounds. This is meditation in all postures, mental and physical. In short, practice the path, forget the views, they are all wrong. Peace

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi

Postby SarathW » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:52 am

Technically right view is not a no view.
Right view is a view but it is called right because it benefits to the goal.
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