Dharma Wheel

A Buddhist discussion forum on Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism
It is currently Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:06 am

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Forum rules


Please click here to view the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 68 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:40 pm 
Offline
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:53 am
Posts: 1468
I would like to point out that is also an assumption.

I also would like to ask: do you believe this experience will reappear just as quickly as before?

_________________
http://tendaiuk.wordpress.com/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:21 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:26 pm
Posts: 577
garudha wrote:

You must have made some good progress on the path already to have offered this advice..



Nope, struggling with a similar problem. Took me years to overcome the excitement, expectation, concepts and attachment and also frustrations those INCREDIBLE initial experiences gave me and that made any meaningful meditation impossible for quite some time.


Last edited by theanarchist on Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:27 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:26 pm
Posts: 577
garudha wrote:

These are assumptions and speculations. Please be careful with your words. I take no offence but naturally may become impressed with it... as may others.



Of course those are assumptions. I am not a qualified teacher and even if I were I think it would be unreasonable to make definitive statements about this situation without knowing more about your background etc.

Why should I be careful with my words? I offered you my opinion in a polite way, that is based on my own personal experience and you can take it or leave it. The worst thing that could happen is that I am right and you ignore it and waste your time as an experience junkie, running after the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and that is something you might have done anyway if that's what you want. It's your responsibility anyway and taking some advice on the internet as a definitive truth without checking further would be a bit foolish, wouldn't it?

Impressed what? Sorry, I don't understand what you mean with that part.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:33 am
Posts: 646
Location: UK
Seishin wrote:
I would like to point out that is also an assumption.

I also would like to ask: do you believe this experience will reappear just as quickly as before?


No. However;

Even if this paradigm is harsh on the seeker...
Even if this paradigm is a blessing-in-disguise...

...I think that, ultimately, it is better to speak of experience as being easy to attain and requiring no effort.

Especially on a forum about Buddhism..ask yourself; What are the purpose of our words?

I opened this thread with a misunderstanding of Dzogchen, and then in my confusion of definitions, subsequently mistook others very good advice. There was a break-down of communication (specifically my interpretation was wrong) due to my own misunderstanding of Dzogchen. I'm sorry about that and would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who replied. :thanks:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:53 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:33 am
Posts: 646
Location: UK
theanarchist wrote:

Why should I be careful with my words?


Karma, of course. :popcorn:

You make a good argument and If you're happy with your intention and are willing to take responsibility for all outcomes of your actions then I wish you well. I wish you well in any case.. better that way. huh ?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:10 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:33 am
Posts: 646
Location: UK
theanarchist wrote:
garudha wrote:

You must have made some good progress on the path already to have offered this advice..


Nope, struggling with a similar problem. Took me years to overcome the excitement, expectation, concepts and attachment and also frustrations those INCREDIBLE initial experiences gave me and that made any meaningful meditation impossible for quite some time.


Okay, Thanks. I'll bear this in mind. :thumbsup: Or try to forget it in practice ...Something like that :tongue:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:42 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:33 am
Posts: 646
Location: UK
Seishin wrote:
Hi Garudha,
May I ask, why do you need to name/identify this experience you've had? Why not call it a great experience and leave it at that?


It's because I don't have the time to study so many Buddhist texts. I'm lucky, or unlucky (depending on your pov) because instead of following a path blindly/by-chance I can instead understand* the body of knowledge top-down instead of bottom-up.

I won't have so much time for academic study soon. I prefer to use my life as a tantric catalyst, anyway.

Always nice to have some good books on hand.

*E&OE :jumping:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:33 am 
Offline
Former staff member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:53 am
Posts: 1468
Ok. But just for the record, Buddhist do not follow blindly but are encouraged to examine and investigate which is why so many here speak from experience. Secondly you don't need to be a scholar and read every book. Insight into the nature of reality is 100 times better than any book.

I wish you the best on your path
Gassho
Seishin

_________________
http://tendaiuk.wordpress.com/


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 68 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 13 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group