Prevalance of the experience and some advanced questions

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Re: Prevalance of the experience and some advanced questions

Postby Seishin » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:40 pm

I would like to point out that is also an assumption.

I also would like to ask: do you believe this experience will reappear just as quickly as before?
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Re: Prevalance of the experience and some advanced questions

Postby theanarchist » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:21 pm

garudha wrote:
You must have made some good progress on the path already to have offered this advice..



Nope, struggling with a similar problem. Took me years to overcome the excitement, expectation, concepts and attachment and also frustrations those INCREDIBLE initial experiences gave me and that made any meaningful meditation impossible for quite some time.
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Re: Prevalance of the experience and some advanced questions

Postby theanarchist » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:27 pm

garudha wrote:
These are assumptions and speculations. Please be careful with your words. I take no offence but naturally may become impressed with it... as may others.



Of course those are assumptions. I am not a qualified teacher and even if I were I think it would be unreasonable to make definitive statements about this situation without knowing more about your background etc.

Why should I be careful with my words? I offered you my opinion in a polite way, that is based on my own personal experience and you can take it or leave it. The worst thing that could happen is that I am right and you ignore it and waste your time as an experience junkie, running after the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and that is something you might have done anyway if that's what you want. It's your responsibility anyway and taking some advice on the internet as a definitive truth without checking further would be a bit foolish, wouldn't it?

Impressed what? Sorry, I don't understand what you mean with that part.
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Re: Prevalance of the experience and some advanced questions

Postby garudha » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:47 am

Seishin wrote:I would like to point out that is also an assumption.

I also would like to ask: do you believe this experience will reappear just as quickly as before?


No. However;

Even if this paradigm is harsh on the seeker...
Even if this paradigm is a blessing-in-disguise...

...I think that, ultimately, it is better to speak of experience as being easy to attain and requiring no effort.

Especially on a forum about Buddhism..ask yourself; What are the purpose of our words?

I opened this thread with a misunderstanding of Dzogchen, and then in my confusion of definitions, subsequently mistook others very good advice. There was a break-down of communication (specifically my interpretation was wrong) due to my own misunderstanding of Dzogchen. I'm sorry about that and would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who replied. :thanks:
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Re: Prevalance of the experience and some advanced questions

Postby garudha » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:53 am

theanarchist wrote:
Why should I be careful with my words?


Karma, of course. :popcorn:

You make a good argument and If you're happy with your intention and are willing to take responsibility for all outcomes of your actions then I wish you well. I wish you well in any case.. better that way. huh ?
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Re: Prevalance of the experience and some advanced questions

Postby garudha » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:10 am

theanarchist wrote:
garudha wrote:
You must have made some good progress on the path already to have offered this advice..


Nope, struggling with a similar problem. Took me years to overcome the excitement, expectation, concepts and attachment and also frustrations those INCREDIBLE initial experiences gave me and that made any meaningful meditation impossible for quite some time.


Okay, Thanks. I'll bear this in mind. :thumbsup: Or try to forget it in practice ...Something like that :tongue:
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Re: Prevalance of the experience and some advanced questions

Postby garudha » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:42 am

Seishin wrote:Hi Garudha,
May I ask, why do you need to name/identify this experience you've had? Why not call it a great experience and leave it at that?


It's because I don't have the time to study so many Buddhist texts. I'm lucky, or unlucky (depending on your pov) because instead of following a path blindly/by-chance I can instead understand* the body of knowledge top-down instead of bottom-up.

I won't have so much time for academic study soon. I prefer to use my life as a tantric catalyst, anyway.

Always nice to have some good books on hand.

*E&OE :jumping:
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Re: Prevalance of the experience and some advanced questions

Postby Seishin » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:33 am

Ok. But just for the record, Buddhist do not follow blindly but are encouraged to examine and investigate which is why so many here speak from experience. Secondly you don't need to be a scholar and read every book. Insight into the nature of reality is 100 times better than any book.

I wish you the best on your path
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