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no attachement = no expectations

Postby puppha » Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:57 pm

Dear Dhamma friends,

The following thought occurred to me: "no attachement = no expectations"

Not being attached to a car, a house, money, a person, etc. would be the same as not expecting anything out of that car, that house, that money, that person.
On the other side, if you have no expectations about an object, a person, or an idea, would that not be the same as not being attached to that object, person or idea?

What are your opinions?

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Re: no attachement = no expectations

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:43 pm

No attachment = no opinions ? :stirthepot:
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Re: no attachement = no expectations

Postby DAWN » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:21 pm

Expectation is suffering
No expectation, no suffering
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Re: no attachement = no expectations

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:00 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: no attachement = no expectations

Postby SarathW » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:41 am

Hi Puppha
To me none attachment means seen the objects in terms of Three basic facts of existence. Ie Egolessness, Unsatisfactoryness and Impermanence

Please see more details in the following link and select the relevant article.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/bpslist.html
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Re: no attachement = no expectations

Postby pegembara » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:30 am

When anicca is fully accepted there is no expectations. Every breath may well be the last. There is absolutely no expectations of anything.
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Postby Cittasanto » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:50 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: no attachement = no expectations

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Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Sabbe dhamma anatta
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Postby Cittasanto » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:25 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: no attachement = no expectations

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:31 pm

I think it says in the Dhamapada somewhere that "Expectation makes an ex out of Pec and some other guy named Tation." Or maybe I saw that in the men's room at Penn Station. Anyway, it's true. I think a lot of people bring on their own misery by trying to meet other's expectations of them. I believe in this case that other people's expectations are their kamma, not mine. As for my own expectations I do have them, even of other people, but when I do I try to discuss them and reach an understanding. For example, if I'm in a relationship with someone, I expect communication, cooperation, shared trust, not stabbing me in my sleep, things like that. If I wake up with a knife sticking out of me, I realize my expectations were unrealistic and I try to figure out whether I'm Pec or Tation. In either case, I'm definitely an ex. :P

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Re: no attachement = no expectations

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:48 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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