Cittamattra/Yogachara - how to purify the latent seeds?

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Cittamattra/Yogachara - how to purify the latent seeds?

Postby kirtu » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:43 pm

How are the latent seeds deposited in the alayavijnana purified in the Cittamatra/Yogachara schools ?

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tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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Re: Cittamattra/Yogachara - how to purify the latent seeds?

Postby conebeckham » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:01 am

Kirt-

According to the Karma Kagyu, it is not "normal" prajna that can "purify" the latent seeds. (I know you're asking about "classical yogacara/cittamatra," and Rangjung Dorje's view may differ in several respects...but anyway.....)

The purification of the Alaya can only occur with the Vajra-Like Samadhi. At that time, the Alaya becomes the Mirror-like Wisdom. In other words, it is not that we "remove" the seeds, or that we have to worrry about planting "virtuous seeds." It is a change of state.


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Re: Cittamattra/Yogachara - how to purify the latent seeds?

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

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Re: Cittamattra/Yogachara - how to purify the latent seeds?

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The best meditation is no meditation

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Re: Cittamattra/Yogachara - how to purify the latent seeds?

Postby kalden yungdrung » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:57 am

[quote="Yeshe D wrote:
The vajra-like samādhi (vajropamasamādhi) is the meditation which eliminates the remaining cognitive obscurations (jñeyāvaraṇa), which are subtle obscurations (sūkṣmāvaraṇa), on the tenth bodhisattva bhūmi. This results in the complete revolution of the basis (āśrayaparāvṛtti) and full realization of the dharmakāya which is the attainment of buddhahood. In some sources, such as the Ratnagotravibhāga, the vajra-like samādhi is said to be the meditation employed on the eighth, ninth, and tenth bhūmis.[/quote]


Tashi delek Yeshe D, :)

Thanks for your replies.

Yes the path of the Bodhisattva can be a long way.
Sometimes i think, why could not this be quicker seen in the light of the fruit.

Questions:
- Which are subtle obscurations here?
- What is meant by the complete revolution of the basis ?
- What is the basis in Cittamatra?
- The meditation employed on the 8th, 9th, and 10th bhūmis. Can you give me a very rough calculation about the duration (human years) to reach the 8th Bodhisattva bhumi?
- For who is this all THE WAY and why?
- What alternative suggestions would there be on this system and for whom would they be excellent?


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Postby kalden yungdrung » Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:52 am

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Re: Cittamattra/Yogachara - how to purify the latent seeds?

Postby conebeckham » Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:44 pm

Kalden Yungdrug-

The "subtle obscurations" is actually a technical term or translation....these are the obscurations to omniscience. The "gross obscurations" are those that need to be eliminated or purified (or whatever!) for liberation from Samsara.


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")


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