The jury is out for whom? I reiterate that no major lineage holder believes in the legitimacy of Aro or their false Termas. Aro represents nothing short of the propagation of false Dharma. It sure can be quite slippery for anyone to say they've acquired a "mind terma". There has been no authentication of Aro's Termas.ngodrup wrote: But who can say for sure? Everybody
is entitled to their own opinion, but nobody is entitled to their own facts.
The jury is out.
Owl-Headed Dakini interpretation of 4 Noble Truths
Re: Owl-Headed Dakini interpretation of 4 Noble Truths
- How foolish you are,
grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
- Vasubandhu
Re: Owl-Headed Dakini interpretation of 4 Noble Truths
Yes indeed. Sarcasm won't bring you far here.ngodrup wrote: Ah yes, of course.
Sure no, but this statement clearly shows you are not very well-acquainted with the Terma tradition. Termas are a big thing in the Nyingma lineage (and in other tibetan traditions of course). Generally masters try to collect every "new" lineage because these are said to be more potent. If such a lineage by a woman tertön had existed, you could be sure "big names" of the Nyingma lineage would have searched the issue. Upon being asked about Aro Lingma, Khyentse Rinpoche said she never existed.Tibetans had a census. We know the names and dates of every village ngakpa.
You're shooting in your own foot here : so from where does Chogyam got his texts related to Aro Lingma?On top of that, every text was preserved, nothing was lost during the peaceful
liberation.
This is out of subject. And no, Aros are not ngakpa, their lineage is fake and their samaya is broken.”Family lineages are not unusual.”
Having read nearly everything that Aro put on their multiple websites plus a gazillions of their "transcripts", booklets, etc., I can tell you the detractor is more than certain about his view on Aro.I say this only to raise doubt in the face of detractor's certainty.
Sure but why let other believe that Aro is a genuine lineage when it's not? Aro has even less legitimity than the NKT, which is enough telling in itself!Let people have their opinion.
Sure, so please respect those who know that Aro is entirely fake. Why believe in a lineage which is itself based on a lie?But who can say for sure? Everybody
is entitled to their own opinion,
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Re: Owl-Headed Dakini interpretation of 4 Noble Truths
Are these guys the ones with the neat felt costumes, with a bunch of colorful stripes, etc?
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: Owl-Headed Dakini interpretation of 4 Noble Truths
Heh, yes cone:conebeckham wrote:Are these guys the ones with the neat felt costumes, with a bunch of colorful stripes, etc?
- How foolish you are,
grasping the letter of the text and ignoring its intention!
- Vasubandhu
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Re: Owl-Headed Dakini interpretation of 4 Noble Truths
Don't take the brown acid.....
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: Owl-Headed Dakini interpretation of 4 Noble Truths
conebeckham wrote:Don't take the brown acid.....
"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut
"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)
~Kurt Vonnegut
"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)
Re: Owl-Headed Dakini interpretation of 4 Noble Truths
this is my understanding also. this is an old story, perhaps if mutsuk can repeat for new vajra brothers and sisters the how, what, when and why, it would be very good, as my memory of such things is fading.mutsuk wrote:I perfectly know what termas are. You did not understand what I wrote. I said that they can't show any text in tibetan belonging to the termas of Aro Lingma. Their lineage is supposedly based on these Termas. Since Aro Lingma is presented as being Tibetan, we can expect that her termas are in Tibetan. However they don't exist because she never existed.
Re: Owl-Headed Dakini interpretation of 4 Noble Truths
oh, let me post a real Terton couple:
Orgyen Jigme Namkha Lingpa and Tara Lhamo
Tara Lhamo is the daughter of Great Terton Aphan. (people say that HH Sakya Trichin is a incarnation of Terton Aphan.)
Many great masters recognised them as real Tertons.
The master in the middle of first photo is famous Khen. Jigme Phuntsok Rinpoche.
Orgyen Jigme Namkha Lingpa and Tara Lhamo
Tara Lhamo is the daughter of Great Terton Aphan. (people say that HH Sakya Trichin is a incarnation of Terton Aphan.)
Many great masters recognised them as real Tertons.
The master in the middle of first photo is famous Khen. Jigme Phuntsok Rinpoche.
Re: Owl-Headed Dakini interpretation of 4 Noble Truths
Hi narraboth,
Thanks so much for those great pictures!!
Thanks so much for those great pictures!!
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you are welcomedmutsuk wrote:Hi narraboth,
Thanks so much for those great pictures!!
unfortunately Tare Lhamo has passed....
I haven't met any of them since they are in mainland china...
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That's sad... Do you know when this happened ?narraboth wrote:unfortunately Tare Lhamo has passed....
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2002, 3, 26mutsuk wrote:That's sad... Do you know when this happened ?narraboth wrote:unfortunately Tare Lhamo has passed....
several days later, her body shrink to like 8 years old size.