TMingyur wrote:This is not necessarily so in Mahayana. But as to non-Mahayana you are right.
Not really. Mahayana advocates since the beginning have encouraged people to abandon wrong views.
But a belief that makes you more compassionate is not necessarily a wrong view. You should not mix up categories.
It will however necessarily be abandoned if the Mahayana is consistently practiced on the basis of method and wisdom.
What is the first thing in the Eightfold Noble Path? Right view. With no right view, there is no right intention and no right practise. If there is no right view, the other seven will not be either consistently practised or successfully implemented. With wrong view, there will be no correct method at hand. With no correct method, there will be no wisdom.
Again you are changing categories for the sake of defending you position that one should abandon all believes even those that makes one more compassionate.
Nobody has doubted the necessity of right view. However right view entails right effort that entails cultivation of methods that entail compassion.
Huseng wrote:I say again:
Any belief that propels one onward through samsara should be abandoned, even if it superficially makes you more compassionate.
You may repeat it hundreds of times. That does not change anything except that you continue to condition yourself.
Huseng wrote:If a wrong belief is clung to from the beginning, then there will be no right practise and no wisdom. You might end up feeling more happy and be a nicer person, but that is still samsara and your happiness nothing more than the suffering of change.
Here is your fault: You are ignoring that wisdom always is accompying method. You are pretending that it is "either or". But that is not Mahayana.
Wisdom alone however is not the basis of Mahayana because if it were then there would be only one paramita and not six.
I agree, but what most people think of as compassion is not real compassion.
How do you know other peoples minds?
So your assumption is that others have "superficial" compassion whereas yours is "real".
Huseng wrote:I am of the mind that true compassion is only possible after some degree of wisdom has been achieved coupled with proper experience in meditation. Great compassion (mahākaruṇā) is only possible after having mastered the fourth dhyāna /jhāna as until such time one has no point of reference in mind to know the suffering of the arupa-loka or formless realm beings. If you have no direct cognition of the arupa-loka, how could you know the subtle suffering of such a state of existence?
Basically, what most people think of as compassion is not real compassion that is coupled with wisdom of emptiness. It is just a superficial nice feeling towards others, but push come to shove and the true nature of such sentiments are revealed.
You should differentiate mere thought and direct experience. And if you do this consequently then you will stop thinking about others qualities.
Huseng wrote:Trying to combine Christianity and Buddhism will go absolutely nowhere. Christianity is monotheist and is at odds with Buddhism on many many levels.
I did not advocate this combination at all. So this is nothing that we have to discuss. The origine of this discussion is your categorical statement "Any
belief that propels one onward through samsara should be abandoned" and here "should" is what I rejected because if practicing Mahayana consistently it will "naturally" be abandoned and "any" is what I rejected.