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Homeopathic medicine kills people.

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Homeopathic medicine kills people.

Postby Individual » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:14 pm

I remember on e-Sangha, there was a guy that was a vociferous defender of homeopathy.

I just saw this article on Digg:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... thy-kills/

A baby girl in Australia died because her parents rejected regular medicine in favor of homeopathy. And the parents were convicted of manslaughter.
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Postby Dan74 » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:19 pm

Hey, there is a few things wrong with this story..

First she wasn't killed by homeopathic medicine, but by the lack of conventional medical care.

And secondly the conviction for manslaughter was not because they gave her homeopathic treatment but because they neglected the advice they were given. Homeopathy may well be an appropriate remedy for some conditions. What makes this case so sad was that when it was clear that what they were doing was not working, they still persevered. Also the parents never realized that the little girl's life was in danger. They thought they still had time to try their remedies...

It's rarely so clear-cut...

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Postby Cittasanto » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:07 pm

She died due to complications with her condition which hadn't been treated appropriately, Homeopathy didn't kill her neglect did!

if this was a case of the treatment itself being the cause of death then I would agree more with you. Homeopathy may be unscientific, but water only kills by drowning.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Cittasanto » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:59 am

now if you had used this, Like I said I would of agreed more with you, but I wouldn't of said this was a homeopathic treatment as it is far more concentrated than normal, 2/100 parts instead of 1/1000000 or less, and this case was a misuse of the term homeopathic medicine, in my understanding of the treatment.

but anything which is claimed as a medicine whether scientific or not should be tested, if not for public safety, then for public knowledge of actual effectiveness, even if the effect is placebo.

Just curious have you ever watched the Penn&Teller show Bullshit? don't think it is still aired but there are some great episodes which deal with this phoney sudoscience, and paranormal garbage, but the other topics are damn good too, the experiments are hysterical.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Annapurna » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:09 pm

Also, some people become obsessed with a method, and fanatical.

That's always dangerous, because they become rigid and inflexible. A biased mind cannot grasp reality.

To use surgery for a cold would be foolish.

In other cases it would be foolish to use homeopathy.
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Postby Ben » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:37 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Postby Mawkish1983 » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:11 pm

I have seen absolutely no scientific evidence whatsoever that suggests homeopathy is a viable medical tool. If you want to believe in magic, that's fine :) but please don't dress it up as anything else.

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Postby Guy » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:08 pm

The pharmaceutical industry has gone to great lengths throughout history to spread propaganda to discredit and defame homeopathic practitioners since the beginning of the allopathic approach. Not only that, but the original pharmacists were NOT health professionals, but mining and oil professionals. Don't get me wrong, I think there have been a lot of benefits that have come with modern medicine, especially in the area of emergency surgery. If someone breaks an arm and needs their bone set back in place, great! ...bring on the modern medical approach. If someone needs a new heart, great! ...many lives have been saved through surgical procedures that were not possible in the past. However, a lot of the chemicals that are used in the area of "modern medicine" are very questionable. For example, did you know that the chemical paracetamol, consumed by millions of people daily for something as minor as a headache, is a derivitive of petroleum by-products? It's no wonder when you consider who began "Big Pharma".

Don't believe everything you hear from the news or seemingly authoritative sources such as FDA. The FDA, along side other organisations, are trying to push international laws to make vitamins in food illegal as well as many other ridiculous changes to global standards for what we put in our bodies (Research for more info on this controversial topic).
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Postby cooran » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:15 pm

Hello all,

Skullduggery in the medical profession???

Interesting article:
Homeopathy, the Royal Choice
http://www.darshem.org/sys-tmpl/homeopathy/

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Postby Ben » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:44 pm

Good post mawkish
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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