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Practice in Burma or Thailand????

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Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby badscooter » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:57 pm

Has anyone practiced in either of these places???? I was thinking of going on retreat in either Burma (Myanmar) or Thailand, specifically Northern Thailand. I am having trouble choosing a place. Has anybody heard about any good spots in these areas? Have you visited any wats or monasteries in these places. I was looking for places that teach insight meditation. The only one in Thailand that I know is Wat Chom Tong. Does anybody have a preference they would like to share?

pros?
cons?

thanks

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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby Goofaholix » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:08 pm

If you are looking at Wat chom tong then I assume you are looking at Mahasi technique, Burmese teachers tend to be more methodical and strict otherwise there isn't much difference I don't think.

One thing to be aware of is visas may be a problem for burma at the moment unless you have several months lead time in which to apply for a meditation visa as I know some centres aren't accepting people with a tourist visa.

If you are thinking up to 1 month then thailand is easier, if more then it's probably worth going to burma as once you have a meditation visa I think it's easier to extend it than it would be for a thai tourist visa.

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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby Ben » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:39 pm

Hi BM

I was in Myanmar nearly two years ago for six weeks. I attended a 30-day Vipassana retreat at Dhamma Mandala, Mandalay. Its in the tradition of Sayagi U Ba Khin as taught by SN Goenka.

If you have an interest in attending an (introductory) ten-day course in this tradition in either Thailand or Myanmar, then it should be no problem. The longer courses are for students of SN Goenka who have been practicing exclusively in that tradition for a number of years. However, its very common for some students to sit and serve courses 'back to back' for months at a time.

http://www.dhamma.org/en/bycountry/ap/

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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby Kamran » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:19 pm

From what I have read, Burma is a great place to go for the real deal, but there may be some issues around dealing with the government, the oily food, the culture, the water,the heat, parasites, and malaria-carying mosquitos that should be considered.

If you want Mahasi method you might want to consider the Malyasian Buddhist Meditation Center in Penang. Malaysia.
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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby badscooter » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:23 am

Thanks all for the comments... Kamran, is the food and water that bad in Burma?
Ben, how did you fair with the food and water?

All be well
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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby badscooter » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:27 am

"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby theY » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:44 am

It have a lot of reason to fobid you to come to thailand temple.

Don't be misled to come to thailand.

Metta.
Above message maybe out of date. Latest update will be in massage's link.
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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby Ben » Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:59 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby convivium » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:42 am

hint: do your digestion a favor and don't drink street tea and eat all the deep fried stuff. i really messed up my digestion in burma enjoying the tea culture.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby Ben » Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:15 am

Billy...
If you do decide to Myanmar, and I do highly recommend it, let me know.
I have a short travel guide written by a student within my own tradition for those wishing on going on a pilgrimage. Its more relevant to those within the U Ba Khin/Goenka tradition but most of the material will be of interest to students of other teachers.
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby nomorecurries » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:10 am

you could try Wat Ram Poeng in Northern Thailand (Chiang Mai) (mahasi technique). I had 10 days there 10 years ago and going back in December for more (is a nice place to go)

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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby theY » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:20 pm

Above message maybe out of date. Latest update will be in massage's link.
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.

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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:33 pm

Hi theY,

I'm sorry, I really don't understand most of your post. In my experience there are good and bad, serious and less serious practitioners and teachers of any nationality or group.

I hope that we agree that one should seek out good teachers, and avoid poor teachers, no matter what the nationality.

Be well,
:anjali:
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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby gavesako » Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:01 pm

The most comprehensive guide to meditation centers in SE Asia (and up-to-date) is at http://www.retreat-infos.de/page24/page24.html (English and German). You will get the information from people who actually stayed there.

Another good overview of different centers in SE Asia is at http://www.wanderingdhamma.org/


Regarding the Vinaya standards of Thai monks, it is true that even in the previously strict forest tradition (Phra Pah), which mainly comprises the Dhammayut sect with the exception of Ajahn Chah monks and a few others, the rule about not keeping money has been falling by the wayside in recent years. So it is not uncommon to find Thai monks in brown forest monk's robes and with tudong gear putting some envelope with money into their bag or handling a credit card. However, I can confirm that Wat Pah Nanachat monks receive strict training on this and other Vinaya rules and are not allowed to handle or receive money themselves, nor keep it for the monastery. If someone wants to support their travel expenses or the building projects or printing of books, they can leave their donation in an appropriate box where it will be taken care of by a layperson (kappiya-karaka) accountant. The monks will be able to specify what they require and the layperson can then go and buy it. But we are not allowed to have personal accounts or credit cards or carry money with us.

Regarding the study of Pali and Tipitaka, the forest monks try to go back to the lifestyle of the Buddha's early disciples who lived simply and in nature, so they do not pursue academic studies generally. They also tend to rely on the early Pali texts and their message which is rather simple and straightforward, without going into all the refined details developed in the commentaries and sub-commentaries centuries after the Buddha. There has always been this division in Theravada and it will probably continue...

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Re: Practice in Burma or Thailand????

Postby theY » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:37 am

Hello, Gavesako.

I think we should have a new topic in these point:

-Handling/Receiving money for saṅgha of some foreigner abbot that I had listened from my monk who live in that monastery about 1 year.

-Memorized only bhikkhu pātimokkha of thai pra-paa and another.
Can have āpattis: Dukkaṭa every morning of nissaya-able--follow to kandaka-tradition writed in commentary. Dukkaṭa to nissayā-giver who can't memorize and determine 2 pātimokkhas--follow to tipitaka, or 2 vibhaṅga--follow to(follow by ?) commentary.

-Ācārn Man learned abhidhamma--follow to tipitaka, but new generation ācārn and his monks don't care abhidhamma.

etc.

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I love many action what Pra-Paa do more than my monk action.

However, we still should talk together in many topics of dhammavinaya, because trying to talk together and understand between buddha-parisadda is the right way to observe our sāsana--follow to pātimokkha.

I try to make agreement with every interlocutors of me, that in the end of discussion, we must still love one another, and talk together next time in the same topic until we will have a co-conclusion, irrespective of discussion.

It is necessary and seriously to make this agreement in Thailand, and I choose to tell like it here, too. Because I don't want to make another feel annoyed. I just wanna to talk dhammavinaya to make clearly understanding between us.
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Oh, I make off-topic more than I thought.
Above message maybe out of date. Latest update will be in massage's link.
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.


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