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Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

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Ervin
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Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby Ervin » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:48 am

If you believe that karma exists you give it power that way. If you stop believing in karma then it stops existing. You create your world to a great extent with your beliefs or should I say expectations.

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby plwk » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:57 am

I can just imagine.... clobbering my mother to death and then think, it's okay, nothing will happen...life will go on...
Yeah, life will go on for me ... in the slammer that is... if I was in a country that has life imprisonment or like where I live, death by hanging... unless mitigated by intervening factors...

Does the above work in your world view? :popcorn:

Think not lightly of evil, saying, "It will not come to me." Drop by drop is the water pot filled.
Likewise, the fool, gathering it little by little, fills himself with evil.

Neither in the sky nor in mid-ocean, nor by entering into mountain clefts,
nowhere in the world is there a place where one may escape from the results of evil deeds.

The Dhammapada

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby Ervin » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:13 am

To a certain extent that is. Your mind is a very powerful entity!

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby m0rl0ck » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:35 am

As i understand it karma is cause and effect. It can be empirically demonstrated and is valid within that frame.


If you jump off a diving board you cant think yourself motionless halfway down.
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby Ervin » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:20 am

Isn't it a Buddhist belief that once you reach enlightenment and become a so called Buddha, your karma stops? So woldn't stopping karma mean that you have realized that your karma is a product of your so called mind? How else can you control it?

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Ervin
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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby Ervin » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:21 am

You are in charge of a lot if you believe that you are!

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:09 am


Ervin
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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby Ervin » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:45 am

If you have freed yourself and weren't a total slave to karma any more wouldn't it be possible to do evil but not suffer the consequences?

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:41 am

According to the Suttas an arahant is incapable of evil actions.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby Ervin » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:00 am


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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:13 am

I don't think its a straitjacket kind of thing. An arahant would simply have perfect compassion, and so on, and the idea of harming living beings simply wouldn't arise. Sorry, I'm not being very precise here, just trying to get across my understanding.

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby Hanzze » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:00 am

Last edited by Hanzze on Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby barcsimalsi » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:01 pm


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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby Ervin » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:11 pm

Maybe there are people who choose evil and are enlightened at the same time. It seems as if knowledge would be out of reach for evil people. I disagree. There are evil doctors out there. And there are very good people who weren't capable of finishing primary school.

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby Aloka » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:30 pm


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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby befriend » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:50 pm

anyone here whos meditated for not that long has seen that when one is practicing samatha meditation sometimes you are temporarily incapable of thinking anything bad. it just cant arise. food for thought.
nothing can destroy a man who has lived a pure life

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby santa100 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:01 pm

Ervin wrote:
"Maybe there are people who choose evil and are enlightened at the same time. It seems as if knowledge would be out of reach for evil people. I disagree. There are evil doctors out there. And there are very good people who weren't capable of finishing primary school"

You might want to check out this thread to see the difference between knowledge/intelligence versus wisdom..

http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=12176

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

Postby Hanzze » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:29 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Your beliefs and or knowlege creates karma

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