Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

Postby flavio81 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:18 pm

Went through the 6 pages and i found the two most useful comments to be:

#1 . "Don't eat cookbooks when you are hungry." - oldbob

and

#2. "Mahamudra is Dzogchen semde in drag" - Namdrol/Malcolm Smith. I don't know if it is correct, but it is a really easy to understand reply for me!
If this is a virtual sangha, do we achieve virtualization instead of realization?

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

Postby smcj » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:28 am

Don't take me too seriously.

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

Postby Malcolm » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:00 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

Postby In the bone yard » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:53 pm

Different divisions of the same path.
We could add 4 Visions of Togel to this list.

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

Postby thigle » Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:43 pm

There's nothing like "Mahamudra" or "Dzogchen". There's only "nonpractice" & the mistake of "practiced nonpractice", ergo "conceptualized nonpractice", which is "grapsing" from and as the illusionary "big brother"-perspective, far away from naturaly obvious immediate transparency/knowledge.

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

Postby smcj » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:16 am

Don't take me too seriously.

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

Postby fckw » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:48 am

Berzin also writes elaborately on the difference between the two Systems: http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/ar ... gchen.html.
My own teacher uses a teaching style where first students master Mahamudra techniques, and once they have mastered them (maybe not perfectly, but the students have to show a certain level of realization), teaches them the more direct way of Dzogchen. This includes Thögyal, but you will have to show a quite a good level of meditative skills and realization before you get these teachings.

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

Postby Astus » Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:50 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

Postby Grigoris » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:47 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Mahāmudrā & Dzogchen

Postby In the bone yard » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:16 pm

There is only one path, and it must be "pointed out" to us.
Then we will understand what we cannot understand intellectually and was not meant to be understood intellectually.


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