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Sakya Trizin talking about the unity of Buddhist views

Postby Luke » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:00 pm

In this video, H.H. Sakya Trizin discusses how different Buddhist views are really just the same thing from different viewpoints.



The title of the video is "the view of Khorday Yerme." Could anyone tell me what Khorday Yerme is? I couldn't find any definitions of this term online.
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Re: Sakya Trizin talking about the unity of Buddhist views

Postby Individual » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:16 pm

Luke wrote:In this video, H.H. Sakya Trizin discusses how different Buddhist views are really just the same thing from different viewpoints.

Not just Buddhist views. Views, period, are just emptiness from different viewpoints.
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Re: Sakya Trizin talking about the unity of Buddhist views

Postby Pero » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:32 pm

Luke wrote:In this video, H.H. Sakya Trizin discusses how different Buddhist views are really just the same thing from different viewpoints.


He may have started saying something like that, but it's not what he explained, at least that's how I understood him. Although I might be biased since if he would've said that I wouldn't have agreed.

The title of the video is "the view of Khorday Yerme." Could anyone tell me what Khorday Yerme is? I couldn't find any definitions of this term online.


Khorde Yermed means indivisibility of samsara and nirvana.
Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Sakya Trizin talking about the unity of Buddhist views

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:42 pm

Individual wrote:
Luke wrote:In this video, H.H. Sakya Trizin discusses how different Buddhist views are really just the same thing from different viewpoints.

Not just Buddhist views. Views, period, are just emptiness from different viewpoints.


?

The only valid wisdom is lack of inherent existence. Wisdoms which don't have the view of emptiness are not valid.
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Re: Sakya Trizin talking about the unity of Buddhist views

Postby Individual » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:00 pm

Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:
Individual wrote:
Luke wrote:In this video, H.H. Sakya Trizin discusses how different Buddhist views are really just the same thing from different viewpoints.

Not just Buddhist views. Views, period, are just emptiness from different viewpoints.


?

The only valid wisdom is lack of inherent existence. Wisdoms which don't have the view of emptiness are not valid.

No, that's nihilism.

Just kidding.

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Re: Sakya Trizin talking about the unity of Buddhist views

Postby Astus » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:24 pm

Indeed, as Pero pointed it out, it seems he meant the unity of Tibetan Buddhist Schools, especially the oneness of Madhyamaka, Dzogchen and Mahamudra, which has been stated long before by former Tibetan masters, like the 3rd Karmapa in his Aspiration Prayer:

"Free from mental fabrication, it is the great seal, mahamudra.
Free from extremes, it is the great middle way, madhyamika.
The consummation of everything, it is also called the great perfection, dzogchen.
May there be confidence that by understanding one,
the essential meaning of all is realised."


Interestingly, it was Sakya Pandita who criticised Dzogchen and (Gampopa's) Mahamudra, also separating Madhyamaka meditation from Mantrayana. Like here:

Even if they meditate the Great Seal,
they cultivate in meditation only a restriction of conceptual thought,
while they do not understand the Great Seal to be Gnosis
derived from the two processes.

The Great Seal meditation of the ignorant, it is taught,
usually becomes a cause of animal birth.
If not that, then they are born in the realm lacking even fine matter (arupadhatu),
or else they fall into the Disciples1 cessation.

Even if that meditation may be excellent,
it is no more than a Madhyamaka meditation.
The latter meditation, while very good in itself,
is nevertheless extremely difficult to accomplish.

As long as the two accumulations
have not been brought to completion,
that meditation will not be perfected.
To complete the two accomplishments for this,
it is taught that "innumerable aeons" are needed.

Our own Great Seal
consists of Gnosis risen from initiation
and the self-sprung Gnosis that ensues
from the meditations of the two processes.

Its realization will be attained in this very life
if one is skilled in the techniques of Mantra.
Besides this, the Buddha did not teach
the realization of the Great Seal otherwise.

Thus if one is interested in the Great Seal,
one should practice in accord with Mantra Vehicle texts.

No substantial difference exists between
the present-day Great Seal and the Great Perfection (rDzogs-chen)
of the Chinese tradition, other than a change
in names from "descent from above"
and "ascent from below" to "Simultaneist" and "Gradualist."


The appearance of this kind of religious tradition
came about just as the Bodhisattva Santaraksita
foretold to King Trisong Deutsan.

Listen, as I shall explain that prophecy. He said,
"O king, no Indian non-Buddhist doctrine will appear here
in your kingdom of Tibet because
master Padmasambhava has entrusted it
into the protection of the twelve protecting goddesses.

Nevertheless, a schism into two systems of doctrine
will occur because of certain interrelated circumstances and omens.

At first, after I myself have passed away,
a Chinese monk will appear and teach a path
of simultaneous enlightenment
called the White Self-Sufficient Remedy.

At that time, invite my disciple,
the great scholar Kamalasila, from India.
He will refute that.

Then let all the faithful
practice according to this system of doctrine."
Later, everything came to pass just as he had predicted.

After the Chinese tradition was suppressed,
that of the gradualists was made to flourish.
Still later, the royal rule itself vanished,
and some, who based themselves solely
on texts of the Chinese master's tradition,
changed the name of his system secretly
to Great Seal (mahamudra). The present-day Great Seal
is virtually [the same as] the Chinese religious system.

The Great Seal that Naro and Maitripa espoused
is held to consist precisely
of the seals of Action, Dharma, and Pledge,
and of the Great Seal as expounded
in tantras of the Mantra system.

In his Caturmudra, Exalted Nagarjuna himself also asserts this:
"If, through not having known the Action seal,
one is also ignorant of the seal of Dharma,
it is impossible that one might understand
even the name of the Great Seal."

King-of-tantra texts and major commentarial treatises also prohibit
the Great Seal to one who is unconnected with initiation.

If one realizes the Great Seal that is Gnosis
risen from initiation, only then does
one no longer depend on all signful efforts.


A Clear Differentiation of the Three Codes, p. 117-119
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T51n2076, p461b24-26)
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Re: Sakya Trizin talking about the unity of Buddhist views

Postby muni » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:57 am

"they cultivate in meditation only a restriction of conceptual thought"

No thoughts can harm or benefit but liberate themselves, naturaly free flow. Good to know conditioned or not.
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