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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:22 pm 
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LastLegend wrote:
No, I don't want to meditate. I want to become Buddha. :lol:


You are Buddha. :smile: You just don't see it because you doubt it.

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:19 pm 
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Maybe it's not about becoming a Buddha but remembering who you are? Meditation and all this other stuff are just tools, I've read they are really just toys but I don't want to start an argument, the tools or Dharma teachings are to help us remember? Doubt has been my hand maiden for years. She knows her place and does not step out of line very often :D

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:42 pm 
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LastLegend wrote:
by meditation?

When do you stop practicing meditation?

I want to become Buddha not meditation. :rolling:


By meditation and study of the teachings.


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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:08 pm 
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LastLegend wrote:
by meditation?
When do you stop practicing meditation?
I want to become Buddha not meditation.


You don't really know what you want!
no wonder so much doubt!

(I liked your old avatar picture better).
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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:20 pm 
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LastLegend wrote:
smcj wrote:
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I want to be Buddha, and I don't want to work...

So it seems. Don't worry, you're not alone.


I don't want to work hard.
I don't want to meditate until I die.

:mrgreen:


If you don't want to do the work, why do you bother asking?


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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:33 pm 
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PadmaVonSamba wrote:
LastLegend wrote:
by meditation?
When do you stop practicing meditation?
I want to become Buddha not meditation.


You don't really know what you want!
no wonder so much doubt!

(I liked your old avatar picture better).
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I admit Linji's words have been whacking my head. I think I have lost it. :rolling:

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:42 pm 
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LL ...

Enlightenment, when it comes, will come in a flash. There can be no gradual, no partial, Enlightenment. The highly trained and zealous adept may be said to have prepared himself for Enlightenment, but by no means can he be regarded as partially Enlightened – just as a drop of water may get hotter and hotter and then, suddenly, boil; at no stage is it partly boiling, and, until the very moment of boiling, no qualitative change has occurred. In effect, however, we may go through three stages – two of non-Enlightenment and one of Enlightenment. To the great majority of people, the moon is the moon and the trees are the trees. The next stage (not really higher than the first) is to perceive that moon and trees are not at all what they seem to be, since "all is the One Mind." When this stage is achieved, we have the concept of a vast uniformity in which all distinctions are void; and, to some adepts, this concept may come as an actual perception, as "real" to them as the moon and the trees before. It is said that, when Enlightenment really comes, the moon is again very much the moon and the trees exactly trees; but with a difference, for the Enlightened man is capable of perceiving both unity and multiplicity without the least contradiction between them!
http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmHuangPo.htm

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
when Enlightenment really comes, the moon is again very much the moon and the trees exactly trees; but with a difference, for the Enlightened man is capable of perceiving both unity and multiplicity without the least contradiction between them!
http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmHuangPo.htm

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That is beautiful :namaste:

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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If you don't want to do the work, why do you bother asking?


Sorry to wast your time. Forgive me. :tongue:

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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LastLegend wrote:
Doubt is a disease. How to cure it?

No, I don't have the answer ok.

Discuss.

:rolling:


Is there something you have developed a doubt about that is giving you grief?

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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anjali wrote:
LastLegend wrote:
Doubt is a disease. How to cure it?

No, I don't have the answer ok.

Discuss.

:rolling:


Is there something you have developed a doubt about that is giving you grief?


No, sir.

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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LastLegend wrote:
dude wrote:

If you don't want to do the work, why do you bother asking?


Sorry to wast your time. Forgive me. :tongue:


Not at all. I get good karma for trying to help you whether you listen to me or not.
Thank you for helping me create merit.


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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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LastLegend wrote:
anjali wrote:
LastLegend wrote:
Doubt is a disease. How to cure it?

No, I don't have the answer ok.

Discuss.

:rolling:


Is there something you have developed a doubt about that is giving you grief?


No, sir.

Then if it's a vague feeling of being hindered but no specific complaint, consider yourself lucky: you have the plain feeling in itself, ready for your examination, without the usual distracting justifications that can accompany doubt and skepticism and make them last a very long time.

Especially since you didn't sit there deliberately inviting such unpleasant states, there's really nothing to base further identification with them on. This is what is meant in the quote I posted by often not even realizing that the experience is actually a klesha because we immediately identify with it, "my problem that I feel bad about."

I noticed this about vague depression... The moment I saw for myself that I didn't deliberately create it, that it came about due to causes and conditions unknown to me, it was a lot easier to be curious about the process itself instead of reacting to the feeling.
There's a lot to learn from your experience of doubt, right this very moment. Be daring! :twothumbsup:
Curiosity will turn your suffering into insight. Trying to get rid of it is sweeping it under the rug without getting rid of the smell or the "problem".

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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I am completely flumoxed as to why you want a cure for doubt.... when doubt is the cure. Doubt is not a disease. If we are lucky, doubt will inform... but even that is looking like spiritual BS to me these days, just more postulating ... as is wanting to be Buddha. But you confuse me... you have natural tendencies too.... so what is this? What is this?

it is exhausting!


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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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This doubt is special-one doubts one can't be a realized Buddha in this life time.

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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how do you know?


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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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I don't know that.

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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I thought that he was expressing doubt about his innate enlightened mind--as in once his doubt is dispelled he becomes enlightened. :stirthepot:

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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It is still there man when I think about it.

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 Post subject: Re: How to cure doubt
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smcj wrote:
I thought that he was expressing doubt about his innate enlightened mind--as in once his doubt is dispelled he becomes enlightened. :stirthepot:


I was confused about what I was trying to express. :rolling:

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