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 Post subject: Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:48 am 
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tomamundsen wrote:
Anders Honore wrote:
Soto Zen is obviously a sudden path.

It is obviously sudden and subtly gradual.


It is easy to find gradual elements. Thankfully. A school that only taught sudden approach would be a dangerous thing for many people, I think. My point was simply that I don't think Soto Zen is any less of a sudden path that others who carry that moniker.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:15 pm 
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Interesting discussion. :twothumbsup:

I wanted to mention there is another interesting looking discussion in the form of a new Dogen anthology edited by S. Heine coming out next month: http://www.amazon.com/Dogen-Historical- ... 62&sr=1-19
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Francis H. Cook: Enlightenment in Dogen's Zen (PDF).

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 Post subject: Re: Is Soto Zen Gradual?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:48 am 
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DarwidHalim wrote:
Soto is a gradual [..]


Because it's a long way from initially always "practised" just sitting to just sitting.


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