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the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby clw_uk » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:05 am

Hey Ben


I dont see rebirth as being part of Buddhadhamma so what i wrote on that forum was correct (in line with my own view) that there is no rebirth pm in the buddhas teachings



Any question about rebirth after death im agnostic towards because i do not know either way atm, maybe so maybe not (although as i said i lean slightly towards no than yes)


I think confusion arises due to how i personally take rebirth. To me questions about rebirth after death etc are the same as questions about gods and heaven etc, outside buddhadhamma for me. Buddhadhamma and rebirth are seperate "things" in my view


Its not in the buddhadhamma for me (4nt, NEFP). As to if such a thing occurs then i dont know

Does that help?

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:11 pm

Hi all,

I have two small points I would like to make. Please bear in mind that this is Laura's_personal_interpretation. Feedback is welcomed.

First, for those who take exception to the path and its fruit being the same, how would you distinguish the path from its fruit? In theory, sure, it could be defined. But in real practice, I think it's indistinguishable.

**Edited to delete paragraph two. I think my comments on birth vs. rebirth are irrelevant and out of place. Sorry about that.

Kindly,
Laura
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:56 pm

Hi Dhammanando Bhikkhu,

What if I said that I agree that the two are specific and different by definition, but indistinguishable in experience?
Like in the same way that it's difficult to distinguish between karmic fruit and conditions in practice.

Kindly,
Laura


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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Ben » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:05 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby cooran » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:12 am

Hello all,

I found this quite interesting:
Reincarnation is Now a Scientifically Acceptable Phenomenon - by Dr. Granville Dharmawardena, University of Colombo
in a Set of articles collected by Bhikku Bodhi researching Buddhist assumptions on reincarnation, scientific evidence supporting this and related subjects.
http://www.beyondthenet.net/dhamma/reinc.htm

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Guy » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:17 am

Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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With metta,
zavk

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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:oops:

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Postby tiltbillings » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:00 pm

That is all very nice, but you still have distorted the Dhamma in a very serious manner with your groundless assertions and text twisting and your ignoring texts that very directly contradict your claim that that there are not texts that do not discuss rebirth in conjunction with paticcasamuppada and the Four Noble Truths. As Trungpa would say: Good luck to you, sir.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby BlackBird » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:08 pm

If conviction in suffering is made strong then faith will grow. When faith grows strong, speculation and interpretation will disintegrate.
In the end there is only Dhamma.

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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby nathan » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:38 pm

21 pages now? Hilarious. I'm so glad I quit back on page five or something like that. Let me see if I can guess what the last 15 pages contain, since, to be sure, I'm not going to read them. Some considerable disagreement, predominantly under conditions of mutual ignorance of whatever the actualities of the situation in fact are? If that's true, it doesn't mean I'm psychic, only that I've read a couple of other threads like this on the net. See you all later, maybe page 121.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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