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Buddhism and religion

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Buddhism and religion

Postby Dan74 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:58 am

I might be missing the OP's point here but what I see him drawing attention to is an old saw and nothing outrageous and contrary to the Buddhadhamma.

Krishnamurti put it succinctly when he said that "Truth is a pathless land."

In Zen we have the "Don't know mind", "Beginner's mind" etc. And I recall our friend hrbeat7 from the grey forum articulating that very same point when he often emphasized that fundamentally we do not know. Once we get past the concepts and frameworks to the bare experience that is.

So religion or tradition, as something that is imposed on experience is just "putting horns on a snake" as they said in old China.

As far as having some structure to one's practice or a convenient label (when practical) as Ben put it, well that's just how we all do it. The point is to know it for what it is and not be deluded by it.

Or am I missing something (as it often happens)?

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Re: Buddhism and religion

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:13 pm

I think that there were a couple of reasons for this conversation going south.

For one, Pink Trike asked for people's personal experiences so he could better understand the religious mindset. People took time to answer a series of questions. Rather than responding to those answers, which were a sort of gift to him, he continued to make generalizations (some false) about people who identify with Buddhism as a religion. So of course, there was some reaction. Pink Trike, in all reality, was waiting for some negative energy to die out before replying to personal experiences. But it would have been better to not wait, and show that he was listening. In this sort of conversation, when you invite people with a different pov to share, it's important to reflect back some of what they've said and acknowledge it with respect before pointing out the faults in their thinking or continuing to repeat your different point of view.

Secondly, there are always problems with sweeping generalizations. We all like to think that we're that unique snowflake :) So to come to a message board where a particular religion is discussed and make sweeping generalizations about religion and people will evoke a predictable reaction. I doubt that Pink Trike's message was inherently bad. But the delivery was unfortunate. In whatever ways he might have been able to help people examine their own thinking, he sabotaged it with insensitivity. When I put some questions to him asking him to give feedback to those who have shared, he chose to not respond publicly. But I could see where things were heading and I was trying to help him with those questions!

Always, always remember whom you're talking to when you talk. It can help to avoid so much trouble.

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Re: Buddhism and religion

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