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Consuming Less Is A Real Possibility

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Consuming Less Is A Real Possibility

Postby danieLion » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:57 am

As we face the spectre of dwindling natural resources, how do we consume less?

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Re: Consuming Less Is A Real Possibility

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:32 am

According to a recent Horizon Documentary, Fasting and Feasting on alternate days is the most effective way to lose weight. Take only 500 calories on the fast day, and eat whatever you want on the feasting day.

If you average 2000 calories a day, you won't eat 3,500 on the feast day — maybe 2,200 or 2,500 at the most.

The Buddha recommended eating only once a day. Even if we eat two meals a day, we monks still have about 18 hours fasting every day. That doesn't seem to be working for me though — I don't eat much, but I am not getting enough exercise.
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Re: Consuming Less Is A Real Possibility

Postby corrine » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:23 pm

I think that fasting and feasting on alternate days would be very hard on one's digestive system. And I think that it would make food the constant goal, with one always waiting for the feast day to arrive, literally wishing away the fast days.

As I have aged, I have learned sadly that I must cut my calories in order to prevent weight gain. I can now eat no more than 1,400 calories per day and maintain my weight. I do not want to gain weight because when I do, my knees hurt and that impairs my ability to live my life as I choose. Old age teaches a lot of lessons, some of them unpleasant, and one of those unpleasant ones is that moderation is absolutely necessary as one ages, in order to maintain quality of life.

I have found that simply consuming less is the way to go. One can occasionally indulge, emphasis on 'occasionally'. This approach works in other areas of life too. My financial situation is not what it once was, so I must also consume less of material goods and resources such as electricity and gasoline, in order to stay within my now limited budget. Living in the United States of America, consumption and not moderation is the ideal, but that approach has not worked for individuals nor has it worked for us as a nation. We have become physically unhealthy as we also became financially unhealthy. So perhaps consuming less is simply a wise choice in all areas of life. Moderation is not a bad word. It is simply a rational choice.

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Re: Consuming Less Is A Real Possibility

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:22 pm

The Documentary is now available on YouTube.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Kim OHara » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:23 pm

P.S.
See also Footprint Calculator

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Re: Consuming Less Is A Real Possibility

Postby danieLion » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:44 am

Elaborations:
from our local Willamette Weekly
and
from Harper's magazine (just a link; I read it in hard copy and can't find it online, but recall it's pretty good).
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Re: Consuming Less Is A Real Possibility

Postby danieLion » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:55 am

The Atlantic Monthly I cited in my OP about B.F. Skinner didn't point this out, but Skinner discovered that his animal subjects performed optimally when he reduced their body weight by 20% the standard. Different types of fasts are different reinforcement schedules.

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Re: Consuming Less Is A Real Possibility

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:08 am

If this thread is really all about food, perhaps it should be in the Wellness and Diet forum?

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Re: Consuming Less Is A Real Possibility

Postby danieLion » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:03 pm

THE PETROL WE EAT

I haven't read this since it came out in hard copy, but it's a well written and informative article from Harper's called

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Re: Consuming Less Is A Real Possibility

Postby marc108 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:15 am

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Postby manas » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:51 am

I'm very thin no matter what or how much I eat, so the whole weight issue is irrelevant to me. But I have tried many special 'health diets' such as vegan, raw vegan, etc, and observed positive effects on physical and mental health. But -if one swings from one extreme diet, to normality again (or worse still, from 'purge' to 'binge') - that is not healthy for the body. And I tended to oscillate like that, so now I just try to be moderate, neither eating too much, nor too little. The body likes regularity, and doesn't like extremes.

If we need to fast sometimes, our body tells us, when we are sick for example we can naturally lose interest in eating. It's good to go with that, drinking water etc and letting the body do it's detox. If we stay away from pharmaceutical drugs, our body usually knows what is best for it, and we can develop a sensitivity to it's needs, ime.

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Postby retrofuturist » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:56 am

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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