http://www.ymba.org/books/buddhism-wisd ... response-2
For example, certain externalist deities urge vegetarianism and Buddha Recitation, but teach that the sacred words should be visualized as circulating throughout the body -- this, they say, is "turning the Dharma wheel," to release blockages in the energy system. This is the preaching of externalist demons
a. What kind of 'meditation' does he do? Did he specify on that? I have met those who think that by the strength of one's own dhyana practice, total self power, that they can take rebirth in any pure land without making a necessary connection first with the host Buddha like the samsaric heavens.
Securing the faith and wishing rebirth is already the part of making connection. Oral recitation is just the most dominant and popular form but not the only way. I have no problems understanding that such people who practice dhyana but as you said, having that practice combined with the faith in Amitabha & resolution for Sukhavati, they too can take birth there, that's what those who belong to the combination of Ch'an and Pure Land do. But of course, it's uncommon for those who adopt Ch'an & Pure Land not to include oral recitation. Those who are in Jodo Shinshu (with a unique definition of nembutsu and practice) as another example comes to mind.Suppose that someone who practices meditation without recitation of Amitabha, but he has secured his faith in Amitabha and always wishes to take rebirth there. What do you make of that?
Nosta wrote:Sometimes I do that. I am doing meditation, without recitation, but I am thinking of Amitabha, trying to feel aware of him.
not1not2 wrote:Nosta wrote:Sometimes I do that. I am doing meditation, without recitation, but I am thinking of Amitabha, trying to feel aware of him.
That is essentially what I do as I find consciously formulating words to be too "effortful" and a bit mentally agitating. Earl
LastLegend wrote:I met a guy when I was in Vietnam. I asked him if he follows Pure Land. He said "yes." I asked him if he recites Amitabha. He said, "no." He said he practices meditation. I asked how can that be Pure Land? He said, he is ready to leave his body any time and take rebirth in Pure Land.
Son of Buddha wrote:Here is the Thervadan version of the Nembutsu,and also a description of how the Nembutsu fits into the catagory of meditation.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/thai ... plyso.html
Son of Buddha wrote:Yea I wasnt to big on the " rush,rush" thing either,it seems kinda forced.I like the idea of practicing cause I want to,i like it and it benifits me,the whole do it or you might be sorry doesnt intice me.
I like the idea that Nembutsu also fits in the meditation catagory because of mindfulness and concentration.(part of 8fold path).
Also the Nembutsu is rewarding to you even though you are not actually seeking a reward or attainment.
I think you will like this and find it in line with Shinshu thought.
IV. The Recitation Samadhi The Nembutsu taught by Honen is the vocal practice of Nembutsu. However, according to the Daigo Version of the Biography of Honen Shonin, it is known that Honen himself attained the state of samadhi through the recitation of Nembutsu. In the section, A Record of the Awakening of Samadhi (Sanmai Hottokuki), it states:13 ﾒDuring his lifetime, Honen Shonin attained the Recitation Samadhi, always visualized both Amida Buddha and the majestic adornments of His Pure Land, and left a record of this attainment. Seishibo has transmitted this fact." Honen, who espoused the recitation of Nembutsu in the absence of meditation, had attained the Recitation Samadhi. To have attained the Recitation Samadhi means that Honen did not personally and aggressively pursue this goal, but that the continual recitation of Nembutsu resulted in the natural realization of samadhi without conscious intent. Through the attainment of the Recitation Samadhi, Honen saw both Amida Buddha and the adornments of the Pure Land, as taught in the section of the Meditation Sutra describing the thirteen types of meditation with the Focused Mind. The Sutra describes the visualization of Amida Buddha and the adornments of the Pure Land. It is crucial that Honen was able to attain visualization of these objects, deepening the meaning of Nembutsu recitation in the absence of meditation M
Son of Buddha wrote:You might like this Nembutsu chant style.
(dont belong to know or support their Sangha,just love their chanting style)
Son of Buddha wrote:Do you know any Shinshu groups that do exclusive contemplation of Amida practices?