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the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Guy » Sun May 24, 2009 11:23 pm

of why I believe that rebirth and kamma are central themes of the Buddha's teaching and how they relate directly to our beliefs and actions in the here and now. Also, it's possible that the Buddha didn't teach about rebirth to everyone since it might not have been the most relevant issue to that particular person at the time.

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1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

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Re: Accepting Rebirth

Postby pink_trike » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:39 am

Hello All,

This too might be useful.

Essential points of the Buddhist teachings by Buddhadasa Bhikkhu - Buddhadasa Bhikkhu

The Buddha refused to have any dealings with those things which don't lead to the extinction of Dukkha. Take the question of whether or not there is rebirth. What is reborn? How is it reborn? What is its kammic inheritance? (kamma-is volitional action by means of body, speech or mind.) These questions are not aimed at the extinction of Dukkha. That being so, they are not Buddhist teaching and they are not connected with it. They do not lie in the sphere of Buddhism. Also, one who asks about such matters has no choice but to indiscriminately believe the answer he is given, because the one who answers is not going to be able to produce any proofs, he's just going to speak according to his memory and feeling. The listener can't see for himself and so has to blindly believe the other's words. Little by little the matter strays from Dhamma until its something else altogether, unconnected with the extinction of Dukkha.
http://www.dharmaweb.org/index.php/Esse ... sa_Bhikkhu
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Re: Accepting Rebirth

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Re: Accepting Rebirth

Postby pink_trike » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:28 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: Accepting Rebirth

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Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

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Re: Accepting Rebirth

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Re: Accepting Rebirth

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Last edited by clw_uk on Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:49 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:45 am

So, in other words Buddhadada's claim hold no water. Not surprised.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby clw_uk » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:47 am

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:50 am

Then your claim holds no water.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby pink_trike » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:54 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:59 am

Seeing the strange contortions you have gone through with religion, I would likely not refer to your definition of water, or much else.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Ben » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:45 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Guy » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:05 am

Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby pink_trike » Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:39 pm

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Disclaimer: I'm a non-religious practitioner of Theravada, Mahayana/Vajrayana, and Tibetan Bon Dzogchen mind-training.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby pink_trike » Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:41 pm

Last edited by pink_trike on Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Disclaimer: I'm a non-religious practitioner of Theravada, Mahayana/Vajrayana, and Tibetan Bon Dzogchen mind-training.


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