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about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate? Le

Postby absolute » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:51 pm

hello everyone i am new here in this forum.
here is a quote from the movie the bucket list: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate? Leave the perfect trail of slime? yeah it is funny quote but meaningful. what can animals do for good karma? you know, they don't have own self awareness, and from the six realms that deva, asura, human, animals, hungry ghost, and hell can only mankind do good or bad karma? how can other beings if that don't have consciousness do action with their own ? if some carnivorous animals kill other animals to eat doesn't it mean they do bad karma right. so how are other beings do karma?
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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby dude » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:58 pm

Animals can make good causes.
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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby tatpurusa » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:06 pm

... just be absolutely snail as a snail is ...

but beware of psychopathic snails! They tend to imitate humans and profit from other snails, even dead. Actually they thrive on
dead snail corpses .. :( :crazy:
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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby futerko » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:15 pm

tatpurusa wrote:... just be absolutely snail as a snail is ...

but beware of psychopathic snails! They tend to imitate humans and profit from other snails, even dead. Actually they thrive on
dead snail corpses .. :( :crazy:


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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby tatpurusa » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:17 pm

:rolling:
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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby yan kong » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:38 pm

absolute wrote:hello everyone i am new here in this forum.
here is a quote from the movie the bucket list: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate? Leave the perfect trail of slime? yeah it is funny quote but meaningful. what can animals do for good karma? you know, they don't have own self awareness, and from the six realms that deva, asura, human, animals, hungry ghost, and hell can only mankind do good or bad karma? how can other beings if that don't have consciousness do action with their own ? if some carnivorous animals kill other animals to eat doesn't it mean they do bad karma right. so how are other beings do karma?


Just because they act on basic instinct doesn't mean they aren't conscious. That being said I think rebirth in forms such as a snail are about exhausting the negative karma that led to such a situation rather that cultivating positive karma to escape such a situation.
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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby Alfredo » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:48 pm

It might chance to be in the same cave as some yogi, and hear the Buddhadharma (or at least the words of the Buddhadharma) that way. Or circumambulate a stupa very, veeeeeery slowly.
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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby TheSpirit » Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:14 am

I think being born as a snail itself is the result of negative karma and living as a snail or suffer as one help slowly diminish the negative karma.
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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby plwk » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:15 am

More here

What does a snail have to do to reincarnate?
Choices, choices, choices...
For the not so fortunate ones, they end up under a 5 year old's shoe or a passing truck.
For the fortunate ones, they end up in a French menu as escargot or a museum exhibit.
For the Buddhist snail, they end up in a Rinpoche's garden...
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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby dude » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:22 am

TheSpirit wrote:I think being born as a snail itself is the result of negative karma and living as a snail or suffer as one help slowly diminish the negative karma.


Compared to the hell and hungry spirit realms, being born as a snail is downright groovy.
Compared to enlightenment, everything else is suffering.
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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:09 am

The snail doesn't have to do anything.
taking birth as a snail, or any other type of being is the result of causes.
When the causes for taking birth as a particular type of being no longer arise,
taking birth as that particular type of being will not result.

the causes of the type of rebirth in the next lifetime
are not all accumulated in the present lifetime.
If the causes to be reborn as a human are there,
even if the causes of rebirth as a human,
what are sometimes called the "seeds of karma"
if those seeds were planted many lifetimes ago
if the conditions are right,
a being might be born as a human in the next lifetime.

Does that answer the question?
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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby kirtu » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:16 am

We could help the snails by blowing mantras on them, or blowing mantras into water and share that with them )this from Lama Zopa).

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Re: about karma: What does a snail have to do to reincarnate

Postby duckfiasco » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:37 am

Snails are adorable. Baby snails are the some of the cutest things I've ever seen.
But back to topic :)

This is an interesting theoretical idea, and PadmaVonSamba answered it beautifully, as usual.

While they're snailing it up, what can you do to help, as far as your capacity allows?
Watch where you walk, especially when the ground is wet, so you don't squish any. That's already very useful to a snail :rolleye:
Second, don't stop there but actively generate benevolence and concern for any being you become aware of, even the small and slimy ones.

So many people just ignore beings. Many more blindly respond to aversion and splat bugs (or people) they don't like.
How rare and wonderful to be aware of your own potential for ignorance and aversion and turn them to concern, not killing beings carelessly underfoot, adopting a loving and engaged attitude instead!
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