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What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby clw_uk » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:04 pm

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This is in response to this thread

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I think that if we are going to be discussing religion in any context we need to understand what each person definition of the word is


I will get the ball rolling

My definition of religion and "religious impulse"

An institute of rites and ritual aimed at reaching or pleasing something metaphysical coming from conditioning, wish thinking, false concept of morals or false concept of conditionality and so, for the most part, superstitious in nature. Something that for the most part is removed from this world and focuses on something beyond. I see it as a set of beliefs that have no inherent meaning anymore other than having the ability to comfort ( and inspire art and poetry etc). Something that stands at odds with how we think, an offering of an extraordinary "truth" but offering no evidence in support and so a system of non-thinking
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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:36 pm

Hi all,

Before these threads that have emerged in the last few days, I'd never heard the term "religious impulse." It sounds so funny to me! What in the world is a religious impulse?

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Thanks for these definitions, TheDhamma :anjali:


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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby Fede » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:14 pm

Religion comes from the Latin root 'religare' to bind.
It merely means a person devotes themselves to a specific calling.
Could be theistic, might not be.
That's why I consider Buddhism to be a Phylophigion.
Or a Relisophy.

I'm happy with the simpler :quote: things. :thumbsup:
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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:49 pm

Since I first used the expression "religious impulse," what do think I might mean by it?

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Postby pink_trike » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:37 pm

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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:45 pm

Actually, I have said a fair amount in your thread (which you rejected), but I shall give a bit more detail after I eat, clean the gutters before it rains. The point of above msg was neither an attempt an amusing myself or satisfying some other unstated need; rather, it was to simply point out that the expression was first used by me here, and I probably do have particular ideas as to what I mean by it, which I shall share shortly.

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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby Individual » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:54 am

Religions are organizations or systems for spirituality and theology. Theology (theos) means, "An account of the gods," and spirituality (spiritus) means, "Pertaining to the spirit".

Since Buddhism rejects the soul and considers the gods to be minimally important, it is not a religion, because it is neither a form of spirituality or theology.

Besides religion, there is also philosophy and science. Philosophy means "the love of wisdom" and science means "knowledge acquired by study".

Although religions can resemble philosophies and sciences, they tend to be wrapped up with superstitions, especially about gods, and with egoism, with "gods" basically being figured by which to project egoism onto abstractions. Hence, monotheistic conceptions of God can resemble radical narcissists.
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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby pink_trike » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:11 am

Religion:

a. A naming convention. A convenient conceptual header under which religious people place certain questions and experiences.

b. the institutions that gather and grow around those questions and experiences that religious people place under the header of religion.

c. A political movement

Religious:

a. A egoic identity - "I am a religious person"

b. The experience of a religious impulse and/or religiosity.

Religious impulse:

A movement of the mind. A mind-state. A sensory/conceptual experience that arises as a result of internal/external conditioning. An obscuration.

Religiosity:

Extended or habitual attachment to religious impulse
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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby pink_trike » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:20 am

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Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby Ben » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:47 am

Thank you Zavk that was a brilliant post. Earlier this morning I was talking to a co-practitioner about practicing Dhamma in daily life (with respect to the little renunciations and serving others) and what I was trying to communicate was a state of mind that borders on Caputo's all experience, has a religious character, .

Because of that, and because of what others have said with regards to the nature of Buddhist experience and how different it is from other conceptions or experiences of religion, I have found it nigh-on-impossible to give much of a meaningful response to Pink's original contention.
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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby pink_trike » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:56 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: What is your definition of religion/religious impulse

Postby Ben » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:11 am

Hi Pink

I understand the issue of the use of terms and how they can be charged for different people or different contexts. Many of my co-practitioners do not define themselves as Buddhist despite taking refuge in triple gem, despite practicing sila, samadhi & panna. Some years ago i relented because it was just much more easier to tell people 'I'm buddhist' or talk with other buddhists. There was at least a frame of reference from which communication could begin. And I figured that if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, farts like a duck, then it must be a duck. My co-practitioners who didn't define themselvs as Buddhist, were really just applying a different label to themselves, whether it was 'meditator', 'vipassana meditator', 'old student' or 'not a buddhist'. These days I do use the term 'buddhist' to describe myself with ease having realised that some of my past attitude towards the term was really about some negativity I had.

So again, 'religion' is a term of convenience. As I have mentioned above and elsewhere, it doesn't contain the range and depth of experience that I would like in a term. But the term is a convenient launching place for more meaningful communication.

Good luck with the naming. No doubt it will be a very valuable experience to explore the notions of religion, transcendence and wisdom in depth.
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Learn this from the waters:
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