Individual wrote:Let's go into this B.S. by this worthless teacher even further:
Zen Master Seung Sahn was not a worthless teacher by any means.
muni wrote:Zen master Seung Sahn:
Nowadays in America, people are very rich. Outside they are rich; but inside, they are very poor.
No, a lot of them are actually
Not poor to the same degree as in other countries, but unlike other countries, the cost of living is substantially higher, the government does not provide free healthcare, and western people have less familial ties to rely on for things like food and shelter, so it can be comparably difficult.
This is something that many immigrants do not understand. Zen Master Seung Sahn was a Korean who came to the US in 1972. South Korea was well recovered from the Korean War but may just have been beginning it's massive economic expansion.
Another issue (and one coming up strongly in this current Depression) is that Americans are nearly universally deeply in debt and do not have sufficient cash reserves on hand to cover emergencies (for example for years we were told to have a minimum of six months cash reserves on hand but relatively few people did this but in actuality we need a minimum of 2 years of cash reserves on hand and no debt whatsoever).
Where I live, homeless people have been trying to sneak into the local community college at night to sleep, because it's cold at night and they apparently lack shelter, for whatever reason. If they don't have shelter, in the middle of the winter, they will die of exposure; it happens every year.
This is reflective of the total failure of US society with respect to caring for others.
Whereas the "Free Tibet" crowd could be spending their money on sleeping bags for the homeless and making soup, they spend their money on stupid ****ing statues and prayer flags, and others like them stand on the street corner handing out pamphlets on vegetarianism while people elsewhere starve to death.
The facts are more that homelessness is a significant social structural problem and actually addressing it is very difficult (and I may become homeless myself in the next few months). People do not have the tools to address these kinds of problems in part because most people are actually poor themselves (they have just sufficient resources to cover their own immediate needs).
Now there are six billion people. Too many human beings have appeared!
This Malthusian sentiment is nonsense that is outdated by centuries.
It was a common sentiment amongst Seung Sahn's middle-class, college educated students many of whom were concerned about population explosion as a detrimental development for our world. They were in fact partly right.
Technically there is no such thing as "too much population," because population growth triggers economic and technological growth that may or may not outpace the population growth; ideally, there's a balance. If there's sufficient economic and technological growth, there is no resource cap because new resources are created (did we use uranium 500 years ago? NO) and existing resources are exploited in more efficient ways.
Well ideally but we have just seen a world-wide failure of capitalism that would argue otherwise. Overtime people can create new resources but in fact actual earth resources (industrial metals, wood, water, oil, gas, coal, etc) are seen are relatively fixed which while not being completely true is true enough.
In this world cause and effect are very clear. What was the primary cause of this? What condition led to it? What was the result? Whenever something happens, you have to look at these three things. Western people eat meat every day. In the past, Asian people only ate meat on holidays or their birthday. But nowadays, in Korea or Japan or China: three meals a day, eat meat, eat meat, eat meat! We kill many animals, then this animal consciousness becomes a human being. So many of our faces look like human beings', but inside our minds are animal. First this appeared in America and Russia, then it appeared in smaller countries. Russia controlled many countries for a long time. If you correctly control, it's not a problem. But this was not correct, so there was a revolution in Russia.
So, eating meat is what causes nations to prosper and decline? Absurdly paranoid. This guy clearly needs to lose the robe because he's already lost his mind, ...
I think you are being excessively harsh here. This is not meant to literally equate meat eating with degeneration but this is only a symptom of the increase in hostile, non-compassionate ways of interacting with others. So with an increase in meat eating there was an increase in non-compassionate behavior where people do not care for others. One of the guiding teachings of the Kwan Um School is something that can be described as correct usage (and IMO this leads to a kind of rigidity but they have a point too). So mindless non-compassionate consumption of any kind would fall into this kind of incorrect usage (I forget their actual term but it can be found in some of the published teachings). Seung Sahn's overall point is more likely to be that rampant killing overall has led to a degeneration in how people treat each other.