spiritnoname wrote:There's a place for alcohol in tantra,.. there is no doubt about that,..
With that said,.. it doesn't matter if you're drinking or not, drugs or not, if you are causing harm, no excuse! It's reckless, you aren't keeping your vows, you keep it up and you will find yourself in Vajra hell.
Tantric vows shouldn't conflict with the lower sets of vows, and various substances like meat or alcohol are transformed into acceptable substances before consumption. Anyone thinking 'I am drinking alcohol' has missed the point and maybe also has the wrong intention.
Intention is important as you explain - the promises we make as Buddhists are really all about not causing harm to ourselves and others. In fact we are always working to develop and maintain a mind of compassion.
If we have a mind of compassion, I can't see how we could seek intoxication from drink, drugs or tobacco - as that would be harmful to our body and mind and also potentially harmful to others for whom we should have compassion and act accordingly.
Of course, we all mess up at times, except enlightened beings, of course.