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Myotai
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Hello,

Is there an equivalent practice in the Gelug traditions...?

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M...
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Paul
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Myotai wrote:Hello,

Is there an equivalent practice in the Gelug traditions...?

Thanks,

M...
Yes - Dzogchen. The Dalai Lama is a practitioner, as were previous ones. The fifth Dalai Lama especially.
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Thanks...what are the similarities between Dzogchen and Vipassana in the Theravadin tradition?
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Myotai wrote:Thanks...what are the similarities between Dzogchen and Vipassana in the Theravadin tradition?
Vipassana is an intentional analysis of experience. Dzogchen is beyond effort - you directly rest in your own nature. You could maybe say that it is a form of insight meditation - the framework of shamatha and vipashyana are used to explain it, but the terms are used very specifically.

You might find the following book useful, as its several Theravadin monk's take on Dzogchen practice:

http://www.amaravati.org/downloads/pdf/ ... _Amaro.pdf
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In terms of what you call 'equivalent' practices within the Gelug tradition, there's Mahamudra.
But they are not the same. They are said to have the same view, but divergent practice.
Dzogchen itself is practiced by people belonging to all the lineages. Among Gelugpas, it is not only
some eccentric interest of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, it is an interest of many Geshes.

Just as practitioners from all orders do choose to study at Gelug Universities, Gelug practitioners
often study at other colleges and with lineage masters outside of their main tradition. I know of
one Geshe from Sera, for example, who studied extensively at a Bon College. Another Geshe from
Ganden, studied Dzogchen with his father... it is not unusual.
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This is an interesting book about the Dalai Lamas' links to Dzogchen: http://www.amazon.com/The-Dalai-Lamas-S ... 0500289611
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A synopsis and excerpt of Dzogchen: Heart Essence of the Great Perfection by the Dalai Lama can be read here.


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